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There is nothing "artistic" in overusing autotune. It is just a tool to "mask" that that person can`t really sing at all and is overused in popular/commercial g

by ssijak 8y ago

There is nothing "artistic" in overusing autotune. It is just a tool to "mask" that that person can`t really sing at all and is overused in popular/commercial genres where there is an abundance of untalented musicians. I can`t imagine anyone saying that obvious autotuned songs sound good.

puranjay 8y ago
Let me introduce you to Bon Iver's "22, A Million" https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN61gg9VNXPomdZu0UY_wwoDkjSdAB_uE https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN61gg9VNXPomdZu0UY_w...
apengwin 8y ago
Kanye West used autotune to great effect in 808s and Heartbreak, one of the seminal albums of this century
- Jaruzel 8y ago
  No-one ever says Cher can't sing, but her 'Believe' song also uses Autotune in a very distinct way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3kCEEc98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3kCEEc98
- deadbeef404 8y ago
  Very true about using it to great effect in 808s and Heartbreak! I remember hearing one of those tracks and finding it fairly nice to listen to. Then I heard him live on SNL and his singing voice was close to non-existent.
Krakadero 8y ago
T-Pain is a great singer, and I'm pretty sure he's the first person a lot of people think about when they think about autotune. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc
dzjkb 8y ago
>I can't imagine anyone saying that obvious autotuned songs sound good. Well just look at the status quo of popular rap music then - tons of artists are aiming for the obvious autotune style and tons of people are listening to it (so I assume they think it sounds good). I'm not sure what you mean by "artistic", but it's definitely a sound people try to achieve on purpose in their music, so I think it does deserve some recognition as "art".
throwaway8879 8y ago
I don't understand this attitude at all. So something that doesn't seem artistic to you simply isn't artistic for anybody else because you decided that it isn't? Autotune is just another processing like reverb, delay, whatever. You think they didn't use any processing on Beatles' records? You think non-autotuned singers don't use a TC-helicon or whatever when they're performing live? Autotuned songs can sound good, just as non-autotuned songs can sound bad. I'm as much a music elitist as anybody, but thinking that you have the one true objective idea of what music sounds good or bad is just childish.
- mattmanser 8y ago
  There's a difference between using it deliberately and using it because the singer can't sing. I wonder if in 20 years time it will sound incredibly dated, much like 80s synths do today. I'm not particularly against auto tune and ultimately most people don't even notice it being used, but I do sort of understand where the GP is coming from. If your idol can't actually sing, and you saw them live and it's rubbish, wouldn't you feel cheated?
  - throwaway8879 8y ago
    Sure, I agree with you for the most part. Except that if you're going to see one of these autotune singers live with the hope that they're able to sound exactly like the record then you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Would you feel cheated if you found out that the magic show you went to in Vegas was just sleight-of-hand and trickery? :) I personally dislike it too, but I'm not going to say it's not artistic, because to someone else it might be. People get so caught up and passionate with their art of choice that they sometimes forget that it's all just entertainment in the end. Whether it be Hillary Hahn or some teenager making beats in Ableton and throwing in the stock vocal effect. About 80s synths, I think a lot of us, or at least I personally associate that cheesy sound with mass-produced digital synths put out by Yamaha, Roland etc. It's all variety and I love it. My dad still has a DX7 and a D-50 that I'm hoping to inherit.
    - mattmanser 8y ago

by ssijak 8y ago

puranjay 8y ago

Let me introduce you to Bon Iver's "22, A Million" https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN61gg9VNXPomdZu0UY_wwoDkjSdAB_uE https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN61gg9VNXPomdZu0UY_w...

apengwin 8y ago

Kanye West used autotune to great effect in 808s and Heartbreak, one of the seminal albums of this century

Jaruzel 8y ago
No-one ever says Cher can't sing, but her 'Believe' song also uses Autotune in a very distinct way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3kCEEc98 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3kCEEc98
deadbeef404 8y ago
Very true about using it to great effect in 808s and Heartbreak! I remember hearing one of those tracks and finding it fairly nice to listen to. Then I heard him live on SNL and his singing voice was close to non-existent.

Krakadero 8y ago

T-Pain is a great singer, and I'm pretty sure he's the first person a lot of people think about when they think about autotune. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIjXUg1s5gc

dzjkb 8y ago

>I can't imagine anyone saying that obvious autotuned songs sound good. Well just look at the status quo of popular rap music then - tons of artists are aiming for the obvious autotune style and tons of people are listening to it (so I assume they think it sounds good). I'm not sure what you mean by "artistic", but it's definitely a sound people try to achieve on purpose in their music, so I think it does deserve some recognition as "art".

throwaway8879 8y ago

I don't understand this attitude at all. So something that doesn't seem artistic to you simply isn't artistic for anybody else because you decided that it isn't? Autotune is just another processing like reverb, delay, whatever. You think they didn't use any processing on Beatles' records? You think non-autotuned singers don't use a TC-helicon or whatever when they're performing live? Autotuned songs can sound good, just as non-autotuned songs can sound bad. I'm as much a music elitist as anybody, but thinking that you have the one true objective idea of what music sounds good or bad is just childish.

mattmanser 8y ago
There's a difference between using it deliberately and using it because the singer can't sing. I wonder if in 20 years time it will sound incredibly dated, much like 80s synths do today. I'm not particularly against auto tune and ultimately most people don't even notice it being used, but I do sort of understand where the GP is coming from. If your idol can't actually sing, and you saw them live and it's rubbish, wouldn't you feel cheated?
- throwaway8879 8y ago
  Sure, I agree with you for the most part. Except that if you're going to see one of these autotune singers live with the hope that they're able to sound exactly like the record then you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Would you feel cheated if you found out that the magic show you went to in Vegas was just sleight-of-hand and trickery? :) I personally dislike it too, but I'm not going to say it's not artistic, because to someone else it might be. People get so caught up and passionate with their art of choice that they sometimes forget that it's all just entertainment in the end. Whether it be Hillary Hahn or some teenager making beats in Ableton and throwing in the stock vocal effect. About 80s synths, I think a lot of us, or at least I personally associate that cheesy sound with mass-produced digital synths put out by Yamaha, Roland etc. It's all variety and I love it. My dad still has a DX7 and a D-50 that I'm hoping to inherit.
  - mattmanser 8y ago