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Buy less stuff. It maybe isn't an ideal solution, but it has a lot of upsides. Advertisers (and ad middlemen like Google) bet that they can sell more stuff by

Buy less stuff. It maybe isn't an ideal solution, but it has a lot of upsides. Advertisers (and ad middlemen like Google) bet that they can sell more stuff by drilling deeper and deeper into people's lives. But the bottom falls out of all that when people decide to opt out of large parts of the commercial ecosystem. Track your finances instead, the same way you would with a fitness app, and get that dopamine hit from seeing your savings increase. Feel secure in the knowledge that when the next major economic slump hits -- when, not if -- you'll be able to easily ride it out, maybe even enjoy a nice vacation at discounted rates. The massive growth of ad blockers was an immune response to the excesses of advertisers on the web. Commercial minimalism is the only way to respond to all this crap happening everywhere else.

Moru 8y ago
Or do like the germans that remember the old times of big brother watching you. Use cash. When I'm shopping it isn't just the old ladys digging deep and long in their purse for the exact change, almost everyone pays with cash.
- 4ad 8y ago
  How do I pay with cash on amazon.com?
  - donarb 8y ago
    You can buy Amazon gift cards with cash anywhere like drug and grocery stores.
    - ocdtrekkie 8y ago
      However, you have other problems: If you have an account, or even a consistent shipping address, Amazon knows what you're buying. So you'd need to anonymize where you're shipping packages to, the names on those packages, and you'd need to register new Amazon accounts regularly with new email addresses to avoid them profiling your purchasing habits.
      - reitanqild 8y ago
        > If you have an account, or even a consistent shipping address, Amazon knows what you're buying. Still a huge difference betwen that and the alternative where all three of: - Amazon - Google - and MasterCard knows what you've bought IMO.
      - rapnie 8y ago
        This makes me wonder if there is a business model for 'anonymous proxy' companies, where you do the shopping at your favourite online webshops, but handle actual ordering, payment and final delivery to your home via the proxy company, who guarantee your privacy for a small additional fee, or subscription charge. Maybe this exists already. The difficulty would be in offering a good usability (how do you get that Amazon product you want in your local shopping basket).
        lotsofpulp 8y ago
        That business would attract all the bad actors looking to use stolen credit cards and then get banned by the merchant processors for too many chargebacks. And no one can guarantee your privacy, unless they're deleting data very quickly, but the merchant processors wouldn't like that nor would the government.
        rapnie 8y ago
        It would have the same due-dilligence requirements as any webshop and validate your payment method (which could be any method, like iDeal, and even credit card, where the payment processor doesn't get to see the exact order details, but a 'proxied order'). You are right about the privacy guarantee, but there is the issue of trust in any business transaction. Why am I using ProtonMail/VPN? Because they have privacy + security as their primary USP and it is reflected in their business (transparency, privacy policies, compliance, certification, etc.). They work hard to earn and keep my trust, and I pay them to do just that. I am no expert but probably you can let your company be audited by some trusted party on adherence to privacy promises and prove that you comply. Having that they can keep my data in storage for as long my government requires by law. -- Edit: Because this is deeply nested and tangential to the topic I created a separate Ask HN on this idea: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17884474 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17884474
  - andrepd 8y ago
    Well don't use amazon dot com then.
  - mulmen 8y ago
    https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=14583169011 https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=14583169011 This is the first Google result for “amazon.com pay with cash”.
- phobosdeimos 8y ago
  Thats pretty backwards. Just make it illegal for banks to sell customer data. No need to make life miserable for everyone.

Moru 8y ago

Or do like the germans that remember the old times of big brother watching you. Use cash. When I'm shopping it isn't just the old ladys digging deep and long in their purse for the exact change, almost everyone pays with cash.

4ad 8y ago
How do I pay with cash on amazon.com?
- donarb 8y ago
  You can buy Amazon gift cards with cash anywhere like drug and grocery stores.
  - ocdtrekkie 8y ago
    However, you have other problems: If you have an account, or even a consistent shipping address, Amazon knows what you're buying. So you'd need to anonymize where you're shipping packages to, the names on those packages, and you'd need to register new Amazon accounts regularly with new email addresses to avoid them profiling your purchasing habits.
    - reitanqild 8y ago
      > If you have an account, or even a consistent shipping address, Amazon knows what you're buying. Still a huge difference betwen that and the alternative where all three of: - Amazon - Google - and MasterCard knows what you've bought IMO.
    - rapnie 8y ago
      This makes me wonder if there is a business model for 'anonymous proxy' companies, where you do the shopping at your favourite online webshops, but handle actual ordering, payment and final delivery to your home via the proxy company, who guarantee your privacy for a small additional fee, or subscription charge. Maybe this exists already. The difficulty would be in offering a good usability (how do you get that Amazon product you want in your local shopping basket).
      - lotsofpulp 8y ago
        That business would attract all the bad actors looking to use stolen credit cards and then get banned by the merchant processors for too many chargebacks. And no one can guarantee your privacy, unless they're deleting data very quickly, but the merchant processors wouldn't like that nor would the government.
        rapnie 8y ago
        It would have the same due-dilligence requirements as any webshop and validate your payment method (which could be any method, like iDeal, and even credit card, where the payment processor doesn't get to see the exact order details, but a 'proxied order'). You are right about the privacy guarantee, but there is the issue of trust in any business transaction. Why am I using ProtonMail/VPN? Because they have privacy + security as their primary USP and it is reflected in their business (transparency, privacy policies, compliance, certification, etc.). They work hard to earn and keep my trust, and I pay them to do just that. I am no expert but probably you can let your company be audited by some trusted party on adherence to privacy promises and prove that you comply. Having that they can keep my data in storage for as long my government requires by law. -- Edit: Because this is deeply nested and tangential to the topic I created a separate Ask HN on this idea: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17884474 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17884474
- andrepd 8y ago
  Well don't use amazon dot com then.
- mulmen 8y ago
  https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=14583169011 https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=14583169011 This is the first Google result for “amazon.com pay with cash”.
phobosdeimos 8y ago
Thats pretty backwards. Just make it illegal for banks to sell customer data. No need to make life miserable for everyone.