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15 FBI agents to date have died from cancers linked to Sept 11 attacks

36 points by petethomas 8y ago

praseodym 8y ago
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- avar 8y ago
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- schoen 8y ago
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glibgil 8y ago
Things that don't appear in this article: %, percent, rate, statistic, significant, normal
doitLP 8y ago
"This building contains chemicals known to the state of New York to cause cancer"...
savethefuture 8y ago
Curious, where are the cancer reports of EVERYONE else that was in nyc?
- cjbprime 8y ago
  Yes, it's very frustrating when someone reports an absolute number without any idea of the base rate. Given that everyone dies of cancer if they live long enough to, how are we supposed to know whether 15 deaths in 17 years is more or less than you'd naively expect? It doesn't seem very high?
aaron695 8y ago
I really don't get people who believe these stories. It would talk a long exposure for it to matter. Shift work is a logical reason to have caused the cancers rather than a one off exposure to a complex dust.
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HBlix 8y ago
I can’t say that I’m surprised, two burning skyscrapers and tow burning jets are going to be carcinogenic minefields. A friend of mine who was an EMT back then still talks about the incredible smell and particulates that we’re at the pit. A lot of guys knew they were taking long term risks with their health, but the work had to be done and they hoped for survivors. All I can say is that I hope we have measures in place to provide respiratory and full-body protection for first responders if something like this happens again.
XalvinX 8y ago
I'd imagine that getting some very tiny nano-thermite dust particles into one's lungs would cause some particularly nasty problems. What is amazing to me is how high-tech the attackers were, and how they seemingly coordinated the planes along with the pre-placed charges without anyone noticing, and managed to time it all reasonably well. Also kind of odd that the US Air Force couldn't, you know, scramble a few jets over NYC after the first plane hit, just in case. I guess the Eastern Seaboard isn't a high priority area for homeland defense, huh? Or maybe our forces are just too busy "defending freedom and democracy" thousands of miles away to be bothered...?

36 points by petethomas 8y ago

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avar 8y ago
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schoen 8y ago
Try https://archive.is/aJG2b https://archive.is/aJG2b.
lysp 8y ago
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glibgil 8y ago

Things that don't appear in this article: %, percent, rate, statistic, significant, normal

doitLP 8y ago

"This building contains chemicals known to the state of New York to cause cancer"...

savethefuture 8y ago

Curious, where are the cancer reports of EVERYONE else that was in nyc?

cjbprime 8y ago
Yes, it's very frustrating when someone reports an absolute number without any idea of the base rate. Given that everyone dies of cancer if they live long enough to, how are we supposed to know whether 15 deaths in 17 years is more or less than you'd naively expect? It doesn't seem very high?

aaron695 8y ago

I really don't get people who believe these stories. It would talk a long exposure for it to matter. Shift work is a logical reason to have caused the cancers rather than a one off exposure to a complex dust.

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HBlix 8y ago

I can’t say that I’m surprised, two burning skyscrapers and tow burning jets are going to be carcinogenic minefields. A friend of mine who was an EMT back then still talks about the incredible smell and particulates that we’re at the pit. A lot of guys knew they were taking long term risks with their health, but the work had to be done and they hoped for survivors. All I can say is that I hope we have measures in place to provide respiratory and full-body protection for first responders if something like this happens again.

XalvinX 8y ago

I'd imagine that getting some very tiny nano-thermite dust particles into one's lungs would cause some particularly nasty problems. What is amazing to me is how high-tech the attackers were, and how they seemingly coordinated the planes along with the pre-placed charges without anyone noticing, and managed to time it all reasonably well. Also kind of odd that the US Air Force couldn't, you know, scramble a few jets over NYC after the first plane hit, just in case. I guess the Eastern Seaboard isn't a high priority area for homeland defense, huh? Or maybe our forces are just too busy "defending freedom and democracy" thousands of miles away to be bothered...?