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> So that it's a "real production issue" for them is irrelevant. I respectfully disagree. If it was truly irrelevant, it didn't need to be brought up in the f

> So that it's a "real production issue" for them is irrelevant. I respectfully disagree. If it was truly irrelevant, it didn't need to be brought up in the first place. But it was, and it's what made me believe that the other person was trying to solicit for a security expert to solve a production problem for them without an invoice being involved. It was relevant to my interpretation. They insist they didn't mean it that way, and I believe them, but it was still relevant. Whether or not it was relevant in the comment I replied to, it became relevant once it was entered into the discussion. You can call that "uncharitable" if you want. I don't really have a horse in that race.

coldtea 8y ago
>If it was truly irrelevant, it didn't need to be brought up in the first place. It's not like people must have some hidden agenda, or that they necessarily consciously "bring things up" with some ulterior motive. The parent just shared some context, that he has an issue related to the discussion. If anything, if they really had some hidden motive, like getting market-worthy consulting as part of a HN comment reply (!), they'd have, well, hidden the fact that they have this problem at work. It's totally common to casually mention that "you know, this issue we're discussing on this thread I also have a work, and why do you say this approach sucks and which do you then suggest". In fact it happens all the time on HN, between regular developers, the occasional star scientist or programmer (from Alan Kay to Ryan Dahl and Dan Brown), and even far more important and busy pros than some security expert, and I've never heard anybody counting their lost pennies from what they'd have gained if they charged for talking to them... It's also not like the person the question was addressed to can't handle the matter themselves, and e.g. not answer if they fill they need to be paid for their musings...
- CiPHPerCoder 8y ago
  > It's totally common and perfectly innocent to casually mention that "you know, this issue we're discussing on this thread I also have a work, and why do you say this approach sucks and which do you then suggest". The structure of the comment in question is also relevant: "This is a real production issue for me, so could you [...]" This reads like a demand if you parse it in spoken English. If it helps, imagine working in retail and hearing a disgruntled customer ask you to hurry up and give them priority service. Their request might be structured like, "I need to pick my kids up from school at 3, so could you hurry it up?" Your word choice is far less demanding than theirs. If they wrote their comment the way you just wrote yours, it wouldn't have struck me that way. The entire reason I brought it up was because I was unsure of the intent. They clarified their intent. I believed them. Life moved on. You're still trying to litigate this. But none of this matters. What matters is, they didn't intend it that way, and JWT sucks. > In fact it happens all the time on HN, between regular developers, the occasional star scientist or programmer (from Alan Kay to Ryan Dahl and Dan Brown), and even far more important and busy pros than some security expert, and I've never heard anybody counting their lost pennies from what they'd have gained if they charged for talking to them... To be fair: me neither. But knowing how humanity is, I wouldn't totally discount that it does happen somewhere on the Internet (maybe even HN).

coldtea 8y ago

>If it was truly irrelevant, it didn't need to be brought up in the first place. It's not like people must have some hidden agenda, or that they necessarily consciously "bring things up" with some ulterior motive. The parent just shared some context, that he has an issue related to the discussion. If anything, if they really had some hidden motive, like getting market-worthy consulting as part of a HN comment reply (!), they'd have, well, hidden the fact that they have this problem at work. It's totally common to casually mention that "you know, this issue we're discussing on this thread I also have a work, and why do you say this approach sucks and which do you then suggest". In fact it happens all the time on HN, between regular developers, the occasional star scientist or programmer (from Alan Kay to Ryan Dahl and Dan Brown), and even far more important and busy pros than some security expert, and I've never heard anybody counting their lost pennies from what they'd have gained if they charged for talking to them... It's also not like the person the question was addressed to can't handle the matter themselves, and e.g. not answer if they fill they need to be paid for their musings...

CiPHPerCoder 8y ago
> It's totally common and perfectly innocent to casually mention that "you know, this issue we're discussing on this thread I also have a work, and why do you say this approach sucks and which do you then suggest". The structure of the comment in question is also relevant: "This is a real production issue for me, so could you [...]" This reads like a demand if you parse it in spoken English. If it helps, imagine working in retail and hearing a disgruntled customer ask you to hurry up and give them priority service. Their request might be structured like, "I need to pick my kids up from school at 3, so could you hurry it up?" Your word choice is far less demanding than theirs. If they wrote their comment the way you just wrote yours, it wouldn't have struck me that way. The entire reason I brought it up was because I was unsure of the intent. They clarified their intent. I believed them. Life moved on. You're still trying to litigate this. But none of this matters. What matters is, they didn't intend it that way, and JWT sucks. > In fact it happens all the time on HN, between regular developers, the occasional star scientist or programmer (from Alan Kay to Ryan Dahl and Dan Brown), and even far more important and busy pros than some security expert, and I've never heard anybody counting their lost pennies from what they'd have gained if they charged for talking to them... To be fair: me neither. But knowing how humanity is, I wouldn't totally discount that it does happen somewhere on the Internet (maybe even HN).