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Wow, well the feeling is mutual, I wouldn't want to hire you! :) A day is nothing for someone looking to leave a current position. Take a day off of work, what

Wow, well the feeling is mutual, I wouldn't want to hire you! :) A day is nothing for someone looking to leave a current position. Take a day off of work, what's the problem? Seriously. You're leaving anyway. And then it's not like you can't just walk out on the interview at any time (say after the 2nd silly whiteboarding session) if you feel they are wasting your time. The most important part of interviewing is the candidate's evaluation of the company. More time spent, and more people to talk to, is a fine tradeoff for a day of your time. As a candidate, I don't really care what the company thinks they are getting out of a full day interview. I want this for my own reasons.

wycy 8y ago
Because it's not necessarily one day off work, it's one day off work for every potential job.
- thaumasiotes 8y ago
  But that's only a downside for people who might fail your interview and/or be looking for alternative employment. Why would you care about inconveniencing some disloyal guy who you don't want to hire? ;)
  - redisman 8y ago
    Really? Interviewing for a job is being "disloyal"?
  - torgian 8y ago
    Pfft. Loyalty is overrated. The company will fire you without a care in the world even if you are the most loyal person out there
jtreminio 8y ago
Most developers won't just apply and interview at a single job. I usually interview with 3 or 4 companies when job hunting, and I would hate to have to spend a day at each.
- jiveturkey 8y ago
  I'll grant you that. I filter companies at the phone screen. Do you always go for an in-person if invited? I don't. I make sure to take at 15min of phone screen time for my own questions. (I don't do tech phone screens with recruiters -- complete waste of time. Competent companies have a tech phone screen with an engineer, who you can ask questions of.) And I don't parallelize my job search. I do them serially, in priority order (based on pre-interview assessment), waiting 2 weeks after interview for an offer. I get it that most people spray and pray, but for well qualified people this is the wrong approach. This is why companies get away with silly whiteboarding and take home exercises. As a candidate, you have to be more selective than that.
  - Apocryphon 8y ago
    Also, given how searching for another job is not looked upon kindly by your current employer, having to hide multiple days' absences just leads to stress over losing your current income.
  - jtreminio 8y ago
    I have the luxury of not needing to spray and pray. Even though recently the number has been fairly low, the PHP-tagged jobs on the monthly Who's Hiring that are open to remote would net me at least 3 or 4 jobs that interest me. Stack Overflow would add several more. From a list of ~10 I can trim it down to 2 or 3 "I want to work there" companies.
  - vonmoltke 8y ago
    > I get it that most people spray and pray, but for well qualified people this is the wrong approach. Now that I am in New York, I don't generally even need to apply. I just wait for the recruiters to hit me up. When I do apply, I almost always get a response. I can be as selective as I want. When I lived in Dallas (with only two years less experience than I have now) I might as well have been invisible. I took every onsite I got because I got so few phone screens to begin with. I couldn't afford to be selective. As an aside, for an industry that claims there is a critical talent shortage this one sure has a bad habit of ignoring talent that isn't already local.
shady-lady 8y ago
> A day is nothing for someone looking to leave a current position. Take a day off of work, what's the problem? Seriously. You're leaving anyway. Most people talk to more than one company if they're planning on leaving a job. I'm not gonna sacrifice a whole day just to check whether the company's suitable.
maerF0x0 8y ago
> Take a day off of work, what's the problem? The problem is that to get a good offer you need 2-3 competing offers. Assuming a 20% onsite success rate (from the article), thats 10-15 days... Most of us only get 10-15 PTO days a year, and wouldn't want to spend them in something harder than a regular day of work.

wycy 8y ago

Because it's not necessarily one day off work, it's one day off work for every potential job.

thaumasiotes 8y ago
But that's only a downside for people who might fail your interview and/or be looking for alternative employment. Why would you care about inconveniencing some disloyal guy who you don't want to hire? ;)
- redisman 8y ago
  Really? Interviewing for a job is being "disloyal"?
- torgian 8y ago
  Pfft. Loyalty is overrated. The company will fire you without a care in the world even if you are the most loyal person out there

jtreminio 8y ago

Most developers won't just apply and interview at a single job. I usually interview with 3 or 4 companies when job hunting, and I would hate to have to spend a day at each.

jiveturkey 8y ago
I'll grant you that. I filter companies at the phone screen. Do you always go for an in-person if invited? I don't. I make sure to take at 15min of phone screen time for my own questions. (I don't do tech phone screens with recruiters -- complete waste of time. Competent companies have a tech phone screen with an engineer, who you can ask questions of.) And I don't parallelize my job search. I do them serially, in priority order (based on pre-interview assessment), waiting 2 weeks after interview for an offer. I get it that most people spray and pray, but for well qualified people this is the wrong approach. This is why companies get away with silly whiteboarding and take home exercises. As a candidate, you have to be more selective than that.
- Apocryphon 8y ago
  Also, given how searching for another job is not looked upon kindly by your current employer, having to hide multiple days' absences just leads to stress over losing your current income.
- jtreminio 8y ago
  I have the luxury of not needing to spray and pray. Even though recently the number has been fairly low, the PHP-tagged jobs on the monthly Who's Hiring that are open to remote would net me at least 3 or 4 jobs that interest me. Stack Overflow would add several more. From a list of ~10 I can trim it down to 2 or 3 "I want to work there" companies.
- vonmoltke 8y ago
  > I get it that most people spray and pray, but for well qualified people this is the wrong approach. Now that I am in New York, I don't generally even need to apply. I just wait for the recruiters to hit me up. When I do apply, I almost always get a response. I can be as selective as I want. When I lived in Dallas (with only two years less experience than I have now) I might as well have been invisible. I took every onsite I got because I got so few phone screens to begin with. I couldn't afford to be selective. As an aside, for an industry that claims there is a critical talent shortage this one sure has a bad habit of ignoring talent that isn't already local.

shady-lady 8y ago

> A day is nothing for someone looking to leave a current position. Take a day off of work, what's the problem? Seriously. You're leaving anyway. Most people talk to more than one company if they're planning on leaving a job. I'm not gonna sacrifice a whole day just to check whether the company's suitable.

maerF0x0 8y ago

> Take a day off of work, what's the problem? The problem is that to get a good offer you need 2-3 competing offers. Assuming a 20% onsite success rate (from the article), thats 10-15 days... Most of us only get 10-15 PTO days a year, and wouldn't want to spend them in something harder than a regular day of work.