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Please don't link to Phil Mason / Thunderf00t. In addition to being a misogynist (top videos include "Feminism versus FACTS" and "Why feminism poisons everythin

by gok 8y ago

Please don't link to Phil Mason / Thunderf00t. In addition to being a misogynist (top videos include "Feminism versus FACTS" and "Why feminism poisons everything"), he's also a food scientist posing as a rocket scientist.

squirrelicus 8y ago
Please don't assert that someone's beliefs or advocacy about a political movement make them wrong about facts. Classic ad hominem fallacy. Listening to people making sound arguments about X even though you disagree with them about Y is healthy, and the lack of this health is a major intellectual problem of this century in my humble opinion. Listen more, judge less. Post and watch more things from people with whom you disagree. And don't shut people down just because their views on unrelated topics are not palatable to you.
- gok 8y ago
  You're right, the fact that he's an asshole just means he doesn't deserve link and ad revenue. The fact that he's unqualified to make many of his engineering claims is why you shouldn't use his videos in arguments.
  - squirrelicus 8y ago
    I've observed a dearth of videos going into technical detail about why the "busted" things will succeed. I'd like to see them. Thunderf00t does have a great track record in predicting the failure of many pipe dream techs including solar roadways and fontus and waterseer and that thorium car. Who exactly is qualified to do so? Basically anybody with a cursory understanding of physical forces and skepticism, which he has. I'm not sure why you set the bar so high for reasonable skepticism informed by very, very basic physics
    - icc97 8y ago
      > Thunderf00t does have a great track record in predicting the failure of many pipe dream techs including solar roadways and fontus and waterseer and that thorium car. Got any references for these?
      - squirrelicus 8y ago
        What are you looking for? Scientific journals? Thunderf00t takes things, let's say Scio, and shows how, despite marketing videos and press attention and funding, they're complete nonsense. Then he shows what the state of the art is, or what the basic physics say. Then he does follow-up videos when they fail. The Waterseer series is absolute gold. What references do you need? A chemistry or physics book and what the failed projects actually say when and as they fail.
- viraptor 8y ago
  There's a threshold to things like that. Would you honestly watch Alex Jones's video evaluating technical facts raised if it was posted? At some point you can discount people / publications as generally not caring about facts. It's fine to deny them the ad revenue.
  - squirrelicus 8y ago
    Absolutely. When talking about matters of science and physics, Alex Jones has a very poor track record to say the least. He's demonstrated a strong history of inaccuracy and blatantly ignoring facts to fabricate sensational stories. The opposite of what we should appreciate about some of Thunderf00t's contributions, in fact. As much as I disagree with Thunderf00t's political opinions and how much I hate his style, he has a pretty damn good track record on dismantling hypetrains of physical impracticality. More clearly, if Alex Jones had a good track record of accuracy or predictions on anything, then his contributions would be valid and shouldn't be discredited because of his opinion on unrelated things.
pk3469 8y ago
Speaking against a particular brand of feminism does not make one a misogynist. From watching his videos, it's pretty clear that he isn't prejudiced against women. He just calls out bullshit claims by the likes of Anita Sarkeesian, who is on record stating that video games are a 'male sex fantasy' and whose only credential is being a perpetual victim. People like Phil Mason and Stephen Fry are a desperately needed public voice against bullshit disguised as feminism or social justice. If Anita Sarkeesian went unchecked, games like GTA would be banned by now and reclassified as rape simulators. This attitude of blindly dismissing people's arguments or entire credentials just because you bought into an agenda, this refusal to engage in civil debate and discuss matters on their merit. I think this is one of the factors destroying democracies around the world today. Everything must be polarizing, everyone expressing views you disagree with must be shunned. Any attempts to debate established status quo must be shouted down. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Sarkeesian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Sarkeesian
- favorited 8y ago
  > whose only credential is being a perpetual victim The Wikipedia page you linked says she's a "media critic, blogger, and public speaker." It seems to me those are her credentials.
  - pk3469 8y ago
    She is all of those things by virtue of playing public victim. She was a no name vlogger with a handful of subscribers. Her entire 'career', if you can call it that, began when the internet overwhelmed her kickstarter to fund a bunch of videos about how misogynistic video games are. She's the Kim Kardashian of feminism and an insult to 2nd and 3rd wave feminists who fought to improve society through intelligent discourse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqJUxqkcnKA&list=PLBBDFEC9F5893C4AF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqJUxqkcnKA&list=PLBBDFEC9F5... Watch this and tell me that you think she is making an intelligent argument about anything. And while you're at it, have a think about why the comments and votes might be disabled on those videos.
    - 8y ago
Presquare 8y ago
> In addition to being a misogynist (top videos include "Feminism versus FACTS" and "Why feminism poisons everything") Stop. This type of public character assassination is completely unacceptable unless you are willing to properly justify it.
- gok 8y ago
  Properly justify it? Read his YouTube page and video list. I didn't even get into the racist shit. I'm going to let you guess what "Who's killing who, by race and gender, FBI statistics" and "Black Son of a MULTIMILLIONAIRE, STILL the SJW victim!" are about. Before you say "ad hominem:" no, that doesn't apply here. He's not a credible source.
pokemongoaway 8y ago
Have any evidence for this? Have anything to say that isn't ad hominem?

by gok 8y ago

squirrelicus 8y ago

Please don't assert that someone's beliefs or advocacy about a political movement make them wrong about facts. Classic ad hominem fallacy. Listening to people making sound arguments about X even though you disagree with them about Y is healthy, and the lack of this health is a major intellectual problem of this century in my humble opinion. Listen more, judge less. Post and watch more things from people with whom you disagree. And don't shut people down just because their views on unrelated topics are not palatable to you.

gok 8y ago
You're right, the fact that he's an asshole just means he doesn't deserve link and ad revenue. The fact that he's unqualified to make many of his engineering claims is why you shouldn't use his videos in arguments.
- squirrelicus 8y ago
  I've observed a dearth of videos going into technical detail about why the "busted" things will succeed. I'd like to see them. Thunderf00t does have a great track record in predicting the failure of many pipe dream techs including solar roadways and fontus and waterseer and that thorium car. Who exactly is qualified to do so? Basically anybody with a cursory understanding of physical forces and skepticism, which he has. I'm not sure why you set the bar so high for reasonable skepticism informed by very, very basic physics
  - icc97 8y ago
    > Thunderf00t does have a great track record in predicting the failure of many pipe dream techs including solar roadways and fontus and waterseer and that thorium car. Got any references for these?
    - squirrelicus 8y ago
      What are you looking for? Scientific journals? Thunderf00t takes things, let's say Scio, and shows how, despite marketing videos and press attention and funding, they're complete nonsense. Then he shows what the state of the art is, or what the basic physics say. Then he does follow-up videos when they fail. The Waterseer series is absolute gold. What references do you need? A chemistry or physics book and what the failed projects actually say when and as they fail.
viraptor 8y ago
There's a threshold to things like that. Would you honestly watch Alex Jones's video evaluating technical facts raised if it was posted? At some point you can discount people / publications as generally not caring about facts. It's fine to deny them the ad revenue.
- squirrelicus 8y ago
  Absolutely. When talking about matters of science and physics, Alex Jones has a very poor track record to say the least. He's demonstrated a strong history of inaccuracy and blatantly ignoring facts to fabricate sensational stories. The opposite of what we should appreciate about some of Thunderf00t's contributions, in fact. As much as I disagree with Thunderf00t's political opinions and how much I hate his style, he has a pretty damn good track record on dismantling hypetrains of physical impracticality. More clearly, if Alex Jones had a good track record of accuracy or predictions on anything, then his contributions would be valid and shouldn't be discredited because of his opinion on unrelated things.

pk3469 8y ago

Speaking against a particular brand of feminism does not make one a misogynist. From watching his videos, it's pretty clear that he isn't prejudiced against women. He just calls out bullshit claims by the likes of Anita Sarkeesian, who is on record stating that video games are a 'male sex fantasy' and whose only credential is being a perpetual victim. People like Phil Mason and Stephen Fry are a desperately needed public voice against bullshit disguised as feminism or social justice. If Anita Sarkeesian went unchecked, games like GTA would be banned by now and reclassified as rape simulators. This attitude of blindly dismissing people's arguments or entire credentials just because you bought into an agenda, this refusal to engage in civil debate and discuss matters on their merit. I think this is one of the factors destroying democracies around the world today. Everything must be polarizing, everyone expressing views you disagree with must be shunned. Any attempts to debate established status quo must be shouted down. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Sarkeesian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Sarkeesian

favorited 8y ago
> whose only credential is being a perpetual victim The Wikipedia page you linked says she's a "media critic, blogger, and public speaker." It seems to me those are her credentials.
- pk3469 8y ago
  She is all of those things by virtue of playing public victim. She was a no name vlogger with a handful of subscribers. Her entire 'career', if you can call it that, began when the internet overwhelmed her kickstarter to fund a bunch of videos about how misogynistic video games are. She's the Kim Kardashian of feminism and an insult to 2nd and 3rd wave feminists who fought to improve society through intelligent discourse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqJUxqkcnKA&list=PLBBDFEC9F5893C4AF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqJUxqkcnKA&list=PLBBDFEC9F5... Watch this and tell me that you think she is making an intelligent argument about anything. And while you're at it, have a think about why the comments and votes might be disabled on those videos.
  - 8y ago

Presquare 8y ago

> In addition to being a misogynist (top videos include "Feminism versus FACTS" and "Why feminism poisons everything") Stop. This type of public character assassination is completely unacceptable unless you are willing to properly justify it.

gok 8y ago
Properly justify it? Read his YouTube page and video list. I didn't even get into the racist shit. I'm going to let you guess what "Who's killing who, by race and gender, FBI statistics" and "Black Son of a MULTIMILLIONAIRE, STILL the SJW victim!" are about. Before you say "ad hominem:" no, that doesn't apply here. He's not a credible source.

pokemongoaway 8y ago

Have any evidence for this? Have anything to say that isn't ad hominem?