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> Your assumption is wrong Perhaps... > It is because the extremely high percentage of Black kids living under single parenthood family [1] This is wildly un

> Your assumption is wrong Perhaps... > It is because the extremely high percentage of Black kids living under single parenthood family [1] This is wildly unsourced - what data do you have (ideally across nations/racial categories) for this?

thatswrong0 8y ago
Wildly unsourced? The person you're responding has a link right there in their comment with a government source.
- ejstronge 8y ago
  Where in that link does the case for single-parenting causing poor outcomes get made? Why is pointing to a spreadsheet sufficient evidence for a complex outcome? This and the other sibling comments seem focused on single-parenting and not the rest of the GP argument (which I still maintain is unsupported).
fipple 8y ago
This is such a well known fact that calling it unsourced is like calling a claim that the sun rises in the east unsourced. https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/870,573,869,36,868,867,133,38,35,18/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431 https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in...
- monetus 8y ago
  And to make things even worse, they don't have the same electoral potential. Stripping voting rights from felons is incredibly immoral, IMO. http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-voting-rights.aspx http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-v...
  - fipple 8y ago
    Unequal enforcement of the law is certainly a major problem, but I have no objections to excluding from governance oversight those people who refuse to comply with that governance.
- dominotw 8y ago
  I know couple of people who are unwed couples but they claim to be single mom and work partime so they get daycare assistance. Not sure how widespread this because that might be inflating the single mother numbers.
- ejstronge 8y ago
  Nowhere in that link does single-parenting affects educational outcomes.
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octopoc 8y ago
According to the link, 65.3% of black kids live in single parent families vs 34.8% of all kids living in single parent families. This is for America only, which is the context of this story and this thread.
- sanitizer 8y ago
  Even so, I want this to be a country where single parents can thrive and get the help they need. I think all children are entitled to health care, food, and school. I would add shelter, but that is a tougher nut to crack, and that free food (at school) and free health care for kids are themselves low-hanging fruits when it comes to supporting the children and making an environment where they can thrive.
  - castlecrasher2 8y ago
    > Even so, I want this to be a country where single parents can thrive and get the help they need. Why do you think single parenthood is rising, or that adoption opportunities are drying up? I doubt there has been a time in the history of mankind that is more accepting of single parenthood, or where it's been more possible to raise a child on your own. Women by and large aren't financially obligated to give up their children in this day and age, and with society becoming more secular it's socially more acceptable to be a single parent. Further, what makes you think any institutional policy, or anything at all, can fix single-parent households having worse outcomes than two-parent ones? It's just simple logic: two parents tend to meet children's needs better than one because there are two of them.
    - jessaustin 8y ago
      One suspects that the rise of single parenthood has more to do with the accommodations society is making for single parents (and their lawyers) than with those it makes for their children...
- BadassFractal 8y ago
  And, interestingly enough, AAs only have 17% of kids in single parent homes, the lowest out of every race.

thatswrong0 8y ago

Wildly unsourced? The person you're responding has a link right there in their comment with a government source.

ejstronge 8y ago
Where in that link does the case for single-parenting causing poor outcomes get made? Why is pointing to a spreadsheet sufficient evidence for a complex outcome? This and the other sibling comments seem focused on single-parenting and not the rest of the GP argument (which I still maintain is unsupported).

fipple 8y ago

This is such a well known fact that calling it unsourced is like calling a claim that the sun rises in the east unsourced. https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/870,573,869,36,868,867,133,38,35,18/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431 https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in...

monetus 8y ago
And to make things even worse, they don't have the same electoral potential. Stripping voting rights from felons is incredibly immoral, IMO. http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-voting-rights.aspx http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-v...
- fipple 8y ago
  Unequal enforcement of the law is certainly a major problem, but I have no objections to excluding from governance oversight those people who refuse to comply with that governance.
dominotw 8y ago
I know couple of people who are unwed couples but they claim to be single mom and work partime so they get daycare assistance. Not sure how widespread this because that might be inflating the single mother numbers.
ejstronge 8y ago
Nowhere in that link does single-parenting affects educational outcomes.

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octopoc 8y ago

According to the link, 65.3% of black kids live in single parent families vs 34.8% of all kids living in single parent families. This is for America only, which is the context of this story and this thread.

sanitizer 8y ago
Even so, I want this to be a country where single parents can thrive and get the help they need. I think all children are entitled to health care, food, and school. I would add shelter, but that is a tougher nut to crack, and that free food (at school) and free health care for kids are themselves low-hanging fruits when it comes to supporting the children and making an environment where they can thrive.
- castlecrasher2 8y ago
  > Even so, I want this to be a country where single parents can thrive and get the help they need. Why do you think single parenthood is rising, or that adoption opportunities are drying up? I doubt there has been a time in the history of mankind that is more accepting of single parenthood, or where it's been more possible to raise a child on your own. Women by and large aren't financially obligated to give up their children in this day and age, and with society becoming more secular it's socially more acceptable to be a single parent. Further, what makes you think any institutional policy, or anything at all, can fix single-parent households having worse outcomes than two-parent ones? It's just simple logic: two parents tend to meet children's needs better than one because there are two of them.
  - jessaustin 8y ago
    One suspects that the rise of single parenthood has more to do with the accommodations society is making for single parents (and their lawyers) than with those it makes for their children...
BadassFractal 8y ago
And, interestingly enough, AAs only have 17% of kids in single parent homes, the lowest out of every race.