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> a.) all my female friends told me "Dude, you're skeevy just for even mentioning them" The whole point of Red Pill stuff is that there's a disconnect between

> a.) all my female friends told me "Dude, you're skeevy just for even mentioning them" The whole point of Red Pill stuff is that there's a disconnect between what people want and what they say they want. Also I seriously doubt your female friends have ever actually read any of the material and only know what it is from second hand information. So really their opinion on it is worthless. Also first rule of fight club. >and a married coworker was like "Well, it works on some girls - usually the type that's a total trainwreck in a relationship anyway." First, he's married so he's not exactly PUA material. Second, it works on some people, and it just so happens that there's plenty of people out there who are trainwrecks in relationships. It's part of why they're single. It's selection bias. I don't think there's any real correlation. Disclosure: I am not into Red Pill or PUA or The Game or whatever people call it. There is good information in there that is not obvious to some people who haven't dated much or spent time to really analyze human behavior. However there is also lots of sexism and women hating surrounding that information.

nostrademons 8y ago
I worked at Google at the time, so I was already well acquainted with the idea that people want something other than what they say they want. Hell, my day job consisted of running experiments on billions of people and trying to manipulate the whole web ecosystem to give us data, so I had a pretty extensive applied-psychology background there. I just felt that the specific strategies employed by most of the PUA community were a.) useless and b.) worse than useless for me. And I suspect it actually was because of selection bias: if you're out there picking up girls, it's because you are not in a steady, happy relationship. Anyone who is in a steady, happy relationship drops out of the dating pool entirely. I wanted a steady, happy relationship; ergo, folks who were out there sarging every night were not very good role models for me. That's another lesson I took from professional life that carries over into your romantic life: know which game you want to be playing, and ignore advice from people who are playing a different game. I've got my own model of human behavior and why people make the romantic choices they do. It works for me, and it might even seem vaguely familiar to trained psychologists, but it'd probably piss off a bunch of folks in this sub-thread. Like you said, first rule of fight club.
- cableshaft 8y ago
  > know which game you want to be playing, and ignore advice from people who are playing a different game I think ignore is too strong of a word. A lot of good ideas in the world came about from cross-pollination between two or more different domains or disciplines. Inspiration can come from anywhere, if you seek new information from all sorts of places and try plugging it into your own field of expertise. I think that could apply here too. Even though they're playing a different game than you are, you might be able to find something useful in it that you can incorporate into your game. But you shouldn't copy+paste their advice into your game. Experiment with some of it, include bits of it that appeal to you, and leave out the rest.

nostrademons 8y ago

I worked at Google at the time, so I was already well acquainted with the idea that people want something other than what they say they want. Hell, my day job consisted of running experiments on billions of people and trying to manipulate the whole web ecosystem to give us data, so I had a pretty extensive applied-psychology background there. I just felt that the specific strategies employed by most of the PUA community were a.) useless and b.) worse than useless for me. And I suspect it actually was because of selection bias: if you're out there picking up girls, it's because you are not in a steady, happy relationship. Anyone who is in a steady, happy relationship drops out of the dating pool entirely. I wanted a steady, happy relationship; ergo, folks who were out there sarging every night were not very good role models for me. That's another lesson I took from professional life that carries over into your romantic life: know which game you want to be playing, and ignore advice from people who are playing a different game. I've got my own model of human behavior and why people make the romantic choices they do. It works for me, and it might even seem vaguely familiar to trained psychologists, but it'd probably piss off a bunch of folks in this sub-thread. Like you said, first rule of fight club.

cableshaft 8y ago
> know which game you want to be playing, and ignore advice from people who are playing a different game I think ignore is too strong of a word. A lot of good ideas in the world came about from cross-pollination between two or more different domains or disciplines. Inspiration can come from anywhere, if you seek new information from all sorts of places and try plugging it into your own field of expertise. I think that could apply here too. Even though they're playing a different game than you are, you might be able to find something useful in it that you can incorporate into your game. But you shouldn't copy+paste their advice into your game. Experiment with some of it, include bits of it that appeal to you, and leave out the rest.