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I don't think this is true. Titan seems to be an in-house project. Are you basing this assumption on anything but the exterior looks?

amingilani 8y ago
As a person enrolled in Google's Advanced Protection Program, Google recommended that I use the Feitian Multipass Key upon sign up. I bought a few of those, and it looks exactly like the key in that picture. I'm looking at my Feitian right now, and I can promise you it's the same.
Someone1234 8y ago
https://www.ftsafe.com/article/563.html https://www.ftsafe.com/article/563.html
- mehrdada 8y ago
  I read the doc. Seems to be something like a user guide for the Feitan product published a year ago. Never it mentions the hardware/firmware of Titan keys that Google sells today is theirs. Most security keys from various companies look alike.
  - opencl 8y ago
    Sure most security keys look vaguely similar but these are clearly completely identical physical designs. Why would you think they happened to make an extremely detailed clone of the Feitian hardware rather than simply buying it and flashing their in house firmware?
- joshuamorton 8y ago
  (I work at Google). While I don't know whether or not Feitan manufactures those keys, I believe the answer is that they don't. More importantly though, that article doesn't really provide any detail one way or the other. Advanced Protection works with any FIDO/U2F key. Feitan's keys are valid AP keys. Titan keys are valid AP keys. Yubico keys are valid AP keys. That a key works with AP doesn't say anything about who made it, and that article just says that you can use Feitan's keys with advanced protection, not that they're Google's key manufacturer. In fact I think that article is from before Google announced the Titan keys, but I'm not 100% on that.
  - Someone1234 8y ago
    Google provided identical Feitan keys for Advanced Protection as recently as a couple of months ago[0]. AP works with any FIDO key, but that isn't what we're discussing, we're discussing that these are re-badged Feitan keys. Which they most likely are. [0] https://i.imgur.com/5EWh0jx.png https://i.imgur.com/5EWh0jx.png
    - joshuamorton 8y ago
      Yes, Google used to provide Feitan keys. That doesn't really address whether or not these are Feitan keys. (I'm also not sure what you mean by rebadged).
      - dastbe 8y ago
        Rebadging is when you primarily change the branding of a product (and some customizable aspects of it). Sometimes these are white label products whose entire purpose is to be rebadged, other times it’s another companies offering.

amingilani 8y ago

As a person enrolled in Google's Advanced Protection Program, Google recommended that I use the Feitian Multipass Key upon sign up. I bought a few of those, and it looks exactly like the key in that picture. I'm looking at my Feitian right now, and I can promise you it's the same.

Someone1234 8y ago

https://www.ftsafe.com/article/563.html https://www.ftsafe.com/article/563.html

mehrdada 8y ago
I read the doc. Seems to be something like a user guide for the Feitan product published a year ago. Never it mentions the hardware/firmware of Titan keys that Google sells today is theirs. Most security keys from various companies look alike.
- opencl 8y ago
  Sure most security keys look vaguely similar but these are clearly completely identical physical designs. Why would you think they happened to make an extremely detailed clone of the Feitian hardware rather than simply buying it and flashing their in house firmware?
joshuamorton 8y ago
(I work at Google). While I don't know whether or not Feitan manufactures those keys, I believe the answer is that they don't. More importantly though, that article doesn't really provide any detail one way or the other. Advanced Protection works with any FIDO/U2F key. Feitan's keys are valid AP keys. Titan keys are valid AP keys. Yubico keys are valid AP keys. That a key works with AP doesn't say anything about who made it, and that article just says that you can use Feitan's keys with advanced protection, not that they're Google's key manufacturer. In fact I think that article is from before Google announced the Titan keys, but I'm not 100% on that.
- Someone1234 8y ago
  Google provided identical Feitan keys for Advanced Protection as recently as a couple of months ago[0]. AP works with any FIDO key, but that isn't what we're discussing, we're discussing that these are re-badged Feitan keys. Which they most likely are. [0] https://i.imgur.com/5EWh0jx.png https://i.imgur.com/5EWh0jx.png
  - joshuamorton 8y ago
    Yes, Google used to provide Feitan keys. That doesn't really address whether or not these are Feitan keys. (I'm also not sure what you mean by rebadged).
    - dastbe 8y ago
      Rebadging is when you primarily change the branding of a product (and some customizable aspects of it). Sometimes these are white label products whose entire purpose is to be rebadged, other times it’s another companies offering.