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> The solution is to calculate how much the prayer room cost, divide it per employee that wish to use it, and give each employee that money to do as they wish.

> The solution is to calculate how much the prayer room cost, divide it per employee that wish to use it, and give each employee that money to do as they wish. No, the solution is to call it a "wellness room", and have it be open to anyone who needs it: diabetics who need to inject their insulin, nursing mothers, Muslims who need prayer time, etc. > If you have to ask attendees or speakers if they identify as a woman, then what you are doing is explicit discrimination. Why do the majority (men in tech) always have to insert themselves into a minority's (women in tech) space to discuss issues intrinsic to being a minority in a field? What valuable input on a subject do you believe that a member of the majority could give to members of said minority? > If a company spend money on one group, then that is an indirect bonus to those employees who belong to that group. It's just as much a bonus to the company, who wishes to attract more LGBT folks. > as well as a nudist mixer can be created if both exist as groups at the company. In most tech companies, if you wish to create a nudist group and organize a nudist mixer, you're more than free to do so, provided you can acquire a space that will allow you to be freely nude. > Who decide which group deserve the special feature? So the fact that it's Black History month isn't somehow deserving of this special feature?

belorn 8y ago
> it a "wellness room" A rather common solution that partly solves the issue of making the service universal. It could easily benefits one group more than an other, but at least it would be equally accessible for any religion to use as their space. Historically through there hasn't been many churches that successfully served multiple religions at the same time. My hat is off to those Muslims that will share pray room with nursing mothers at the same time. > What valuable input on a subject do you believe that a member of the majority could give to members of said minority? That the majority and minority belong to the common group called human, where everyone share more in common than not. Why do people in progressive topics (women in tech) think that people should be treated different based on gender? To quote Carl Sagan, gender stereotyping and reducing people down to a single bit, male or female, is lazy thinking. > It's just as much a bonus to the company, who wishes to attract more LGBT folks. They would get the same bonus if they wish to attract any other group in the world. There is an infinitive number of grouping and classification that humans being can sort them selves in, and thus a company has by this logic a infinitive amount of bonus to get. Is one group more worthy than an other? > if you wish to create a nudist group and organize a nudist mixer, you're more than free to do so, provided you can acquire a space that will allow you to be freely nude. Same is true for the LGBT folks. Everyone should have the same liberty to to organize events if they can acquire a space to do so. > So the fact that it's Black History month isn't somehow deserving of this special feature? Every month is a special month for some group. Every day is "day of X". There is not a single day on the year that don't get celebrated by one group or an other. Should we start ranking those, and if so, where does Black History month rank up compared to other special days, weeks or months? Lesser than Christmas but better than Thanks Giving? This not something that is measurable but rather completely up to the ever changing local culture to define how special it is.
- mike10010100 8y ago
  > Historically through there hasn't been many churches that successfully served multiple religions at the same time. My hat is off to those Muslims that will share pray room with nursing mothers at the same time. In our company, there are multiple wellness rooms big enough to house a handful of people, with a queueing system managed via iPad. This solves the problem quite nicely. > That the majority and minority belong to the common group called human Just being human doesn't give someone the knowledge/experience of being on the lesser end of a power binary. If their conference is specifically to talk about, commiserate, and discuss strategies around being on the lesser end of a power binary, then what unique perspective would those on the greater end of said binary bring to the table? If the only thing they have to contribute is the fact that they're human, then they have absolutely no unique perspective to give, and are thus unnecessary. > Why do people in progressive topics (women in tech) think that people should be treated different based on gender? Should be? No. They're recognizing the fact that they are treated differently. That's not a "should be" situation. Much like recognizing and calling out racism doesn't make one racist. > They would get the same bonus if they wish to attract any other group in the world. Indeed, however this particular group has been historically discriminated against on a systemic level. Therefore, additional steps must be taken to ensure their inclusion. > Is one group more worthy than an other? Is your world really so simplistic that every attempt at inclusion is a zero-sum game? > Everyone should have the same liberty to to organize events if they can acquire a space to do so. They are, generally. So I don't really see why you're upset. > Every month is a special month for some group. Every day is "day of X". Are you seriously comparing Black History Month with something like International Bagel Day? > Should we start ranking those Nope. But some are bigger than others, so some will take priority. > This not something that is measurable but rather completely up to the ever changing local culture to define how special it is. And why is that a problem, exactly?

belorn 8y ago

> it a "wellness room" A rather common solution that partly solves the issue of making the service universal. It could easily benefits one group more than an other, but at least it would be equally accessible for any religion to use as their space. Historically through there hasn't been many churches that successfully served multiple religions at the same time. My hat is off to those Muslims that will share pray room with nursing mothers at the same time. > What valuable input on a subject do you believe that a member of the majority could give to members of said minority? That the majority and minority belong to the common group called human, where everyone share more in common than not. Why do people in progressive topics (women in tech) think that people should be treated different based on gender? To quote Carl Sagan, gender stereotyping and reducing people down to a single bit, male or female, is lazy thinking. > It's just as much a bonus to the company, who wishes to attract more LGBT folks. They would get the same bonus if they wish to attract any other group in the world. There is an infinitive number of grouping and classification that humans being can sort them selves in, and thus a company has by this logic a infinitive amount of bonus to get. Is one group more worthy than an other? > if you wish to create a nudist group and organize a nudist mixer, you're more than free to do so, provided you can acquire a space that will allow you to be freely nude. Same is true for the LGBT folks. Everyone should have the same liberty to to organize events if they can acquire a space to do so. > So the fact that it's Black History month isn't somehow deserving of this special feature? Every month is a special month for some group. Every day is "day of X". There is not a single day on the year that don't get celebrated by one group or an other. Should we start ranking those, and if so, where does Black History month rank up compared to other special days, weeks or months? Lesser than Christmas but better than Thanks Giving? This not something that is measurable but rather completely up to the ever changing local culture to define how special it is.

mike10010100 8y ago
> Historically through there hasn't been many churches that successfully served multiple religions at the same time. My hat is off to those Muslims that will share pray room with nursing mothers at the same time. In our company, there are multiple wellness rooms big enough to house a handful of people, with a queueing system managed via iPad. This solves the problem quite nicely. > That the majority and minority belong to the common group called human Just being human doesn't give someone the knowledge/experience of being on the lesser end of a power binary. If their conference is specifically to talk about, commiserate, and discuss strategies around being on the lesser end of a power binary, then what unique perspective would those on the greater end of said binary bring to the table? If the only thing they have to contribute is the fact that they're human, then they have absolutely no unique perspective to give, and are thus unnecessary. > Why do people in progressive topics (women in tech) think that people should be treated different based on gender? Should be? No. They're recognizing the fact that they are treated differently. That's not a "should be" situation. Much like recognizing and calling out racism doesn't make one racist. > They would get the same bonus if they wish to attract any other group in the world. Indeed, however this particular group has been historically discriminated against on a systemic level. Therefore, additional steps must be taken to ensure their inclusion. > Is one group more worthy than an other? Is your world really so simplistic that every attempt at inclusion is a zero-sum game? > Everyone should have the same liberty to to organize events if they can acquire a space to do so. They are, generally. So I don't really see why you're upset. > Every month is a special month for some group. Every day is "day of X". Are you seriously comparing Black History Month with something like International Bagel Day? > Should we start ranking those Nope. But some are bigger than others, so some will take priority. > This not something that is measurable but rather completely up to the ever changing local culture to define how special it is. And why is that a problem, exactly?