I don't log hours so it's kind of not relevant, but I mentally count lunch, especially if with coworkers. I can't quite bring myself to count the commute (also

I don't log hours so it's kind of not relevant, but I mentally count lunch, especially if with coworkers. I can't quite bring myself to count the commute (also 30-45 min here). Counting both reduces 'real' working hours considerably. Picking one or the other would be nearly equivalent anyway.