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I've worked on projects for the German govt before, and I was never employed by them. Points 3 and 4, possibly also 2 are handled by hiring companies to do the

by mikejb 8y ago

I've worked on projects for the German govt before, and I was never employed by them. Points 3 and 4, possibly also 2 are handled by hiring companies to do the work.

mschuster91 8y ago
Seehofer wants to create an entire agency. Makes sense given that this is national security matter, I can't believe he'll (be able to) outsource this. And the other points are still valid even if outsourced, as the requirements will be part of the outsourcing contract.
- atlasunshrugged 8y ago
  I don't know if it's not possible to outsource it, if you look to the U.S. an absolutely massive amount of work (intelligence and military ops) is outsourced to private contractors Ex source (sorry, old one, don't have time right now to find a more recent article I was thinking of for reference): https://www.salon.com/2007/06/01/intel_contractors/ https://www.salon.com/2007/06/01/intel_contractors/
  - mschuster91 8y ago
    > I don't know if it's not possible to outsource it, if you look to the U.S. an absolutely massive amount of work (intelligence and military ops) is outsourced to private contractors And Snowden was one of the inevitable results. I mean, I'm happy the leak happened, but it is a perfect example of what can go wrong with outsourcing to the cheapest bidder. In total it would be better for the government to do in-house, but how else are you gonna shift citizen money into the hand of already ultra rich people... the only thing where outsourcing is profitable and worth it is for exclusively short term things (e.g. constructing buildings or developing a specific software), but long term stuff? Cut the profits of the company and hire the employees yourselves.
    - mikejb 8y ago
      It wasn't outsourced to the cheapest bidder; actually, limitations on govt salaries is one of the reasons to outsource: you can attract better talent with competitive offers. And plenty of whistleblowers at the CIA and NSA were direct gov employees, not contractors.
- mikejb 8y ago
  These requirements don't need to be part of the outsourcing contract. Sure, there can and probably will be some restrictions, but the reasons why a government agency doesn't employ (even former) drug users don't necessarily apply to contractors hired by the government even for national security projects.

by mikejb 8y ago

I've worked on projects for the German govt before, and I was never employed by them. Points 3 and 4, possibly also 2 are handled by hiring companies to do the work.

mschuster91 8y ago

Seehofer wants to create an entire agency. Makes sense given that this is national security matter, I can't believe he'll (be able to) outsource this. And the other points are still valid even if outsourced, as the requirements will be part of the outsourcing contract.

atlasunshrugged 8y ago
I don't know if it's not possible to outsource it, if you look to the U.S. an absolutely massive amount of work (intelligence and military ops) is outsourced to private contractors Ex source (sorry, old one, don't have time right now to find a more recent article I was thinking of for reference): https://www.salon.com/2007/06/01/intel_contractors/ https://www.salon.com/2007/06/01/intel_contractors/
- mschuster91 8y ago
  > I don't know if it's not possible to outsource it, if you look to the U.S. an absolutely massive amount of work (intelligence and military ops) is outsourced to private contractors And Snowden was one of the inevitable results. I mean, I'm happy the leak happened, but it is a perfect example of what can go wrong with outsourcing to the cheapest bidder. In total it would be better for the government to do in-house, but how else are you gonna shift citizen money into the hand of already ultra rich people... the only thing where outsourcing is profitable and worth it is for exclusively short term things (e.g. constructing buildings or developing a specific software), but long term stuff? Cut the profits of the company and hire the employees yourselves.
  - mikejb 8y ago
    It wasn't outsourced to the cheapest bidder; actually, limitations on govt salaries is one of the reasons to outsource: you can attract better talent with competitive offers. And plenty of whistleblowers at the CIA and NSA were direct gov employees, not contractors.
mikejb 8y ago
These requirements don't need to be part of the outsourcing contract. Sure, there can and probably will be some restrictions, but the reasons why a government agency doesn't employ (even former) drug users don't necessarily apply to contractors hired by the government even for national security projects.