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I don't know about the enterprise area, but when this happens in the gamedev industry (and it happens a lot), it's extra depressing because 90%+ of the people w

I don't know about the enterprise area, but when this happens in the gamedev industry (and it happens a lot), it's extra depressing because 90%+ of the people working on it will have poured their life and soul into it and really care. We're not talking individuals in a sea of office drones. Part of the problem is that "release early, release often" is hard to do when it comes to entertainment products. MMOs & social games are starting to change that, but nothing close to the sort of pivoting you can do with, say, a productivity web app.

silverbax88 16y ago
Yes, everyone who works on software for any company other than gaming doesn't "really care" at all. We don't care if your ATM transaction works flawlessly. We don't care if the health monitors keep you alive while you're in a hospital bed. We don't care if you accidentally show up on a police blotter because a database went corrupt somewhere. Nope, but if we were working on games, we would care then.
- pmjordan 16y ago
  You're trying to attack something I never even said. OP was talking about the "enterprise", which is known for its low-hanging fruit of embarrassingly terrible software. You seem to be talking about specialist systems software for banks, medical engineering, etc. or even software in general.
  - batasrki 16y ago
    Well, that's because bank and medical software usually falls under the "enterprise" umbrella. So, while you may be right that a lot of enterprise software is terrible, there are projects in said enterprises that work great and for which people developing them care a lot. You generalized, so he/she struck back with a general statement.
    - pmjordan 16y ago
      Wait, I'm generalising? silverbax88 interpreted my "I don't know about the enterprise area" to mean "Yes, everyone who works on software for any company other than gaming doesn't "really care" at all" And I'm the one jumping to conclusions? All I know is I've yet to meet someone in gamedev who doesn't care about the product they're working on. Probably because the pay is much lower for the same level of skill as elsewhere, so you won't find anyone doing it for the money. Have I met software developers in other areas who don't give a crap? Lots. Have I met ones who care? Also lots. None of this contradicts anything I've said.
- perokreco 16y ago
  Your sarcasm is wrong, because you are claiming the converse of what pmjordan claimed. Its a common logical fallacy.

silverbax88 16y ago

Yes, everyone who works on software for any company other than gaming doesn't "really care" at all. We don't care if your ATM transaction works flawlessly. We don't care if the health monitors keep you alive while you're in a hospital bed. We don't care if you accidentally show up on a police blotter because a database went corrupt somewhere. Nope, but if we were working on games, we would care then.

pmjordan 16y ago
You're trying to attack something I never even said. OP was talking about the "enterprise", which is known for its low-hanging fruit of embarrassingly terrible software. You seem to be talking about specialist systems software for banks, medical engineering, etc. or even software in general.
- batasrki 16y ago
  Well, that's because bank and medical software usually falls under the "enterprise" umbrella. So, while you may be right that a lot of enterprise software is terrible, there are projects in said enterprises that work great and for which people developing them care a lot. You generalized, so he/she struck back with a general statement.
  - pmjordan 16y ago
    Wait, I'm generalising? silverbax88 interpreted my "I don't know about the enterprise area" to mean "Yes, everyone who works on software for any company other than gaming doesn't "really care" at all" And I'm the one jumping to conclusions? All I know is I've yet to meet someone in gamedev who doesn't care about the product they're working on. Probably because the pay is much lower for the same level of skill as elsewhere, so you won't find anyone doing it for the money. Have I met software developers in other areas who don't give a crap? Lots. Have I met ones who care? Also lots. None of this contradicts anything I've said.
perokreco 16y ago
Your sarcasm is wrong, because you are claiming the converse of what pmjordan claimed. Its a common logical fallacy.