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Just to support your point: The govt. also decided to seize everyone's firearms in 1996.

by dfsegoat 8y ago

bigkm 8y ago
Most of Australia was fine with this.
- ajdlinux 8y ago
  As an Australian, who has many issues with these surveillance laws, I'm also 100% behind our gun control.
  - Sag0Sag0 8y ago
    I'm an Australian and I'm not ok with our gun laws.
  - malnourish 8y ago
    I'm an outsider that feels the same. I could never move to Australia due to its stances on privacy and censorship but the gun control is an attraction.
    - shard972 8y ago
      Just so you know, if you want a gun here it's not rocket science. Go to a gun club, watch a fire guns being fired, go do a test and buy a safe. Congrats, you can now buy rifles and shotguns. There was a recent case of a father who was rejected from 3 gun clubs because he was too shifty and yet the 4th accepted him and the cops didn't see any reason to reject him. He bought a rifle and shot both his teenage kids at his x-wife's house. Also you just have to pickup the weekly papers to see cops are afraid of the rising gang violence and the amount of illegal guns that they are finding and being used. But airsoft guns are illegal so i feel so much safer than countries like NZ that let you buy AR-15s /s
  - lainga 8y ago
    What do you see as the difference between them?
    - marcus_holmes 8y ago
      between surveillance laws and gun control?
- shard972 8y ago
  Just like most of Australia is fine with this law. This is what enlightened centerism is giving us at the moment.
gcb0 8y ago
only the usa compares freedom with firearms ownership. this is slightly offtopic here.
- dfsegoat 8y ago
  I made no such comparisons: I merely stated a fact to support the point re: Authoritarianism.
  - stephen_g 8y ago
    There was huge democratic support for that though. To this day (well, at least in 2015), only 6% of Australians though our gun laws were too strong [1]. 1. http://www.essentialvision.com.au/gun-laws http://www.essentialvision.com.au/gun-laws
- emilfihlman 8y ago
  I mean, why shouldn't you have guns? As a counterpoint, gun culture (sports and hunting) is really strong here in Finland. Removing people's rights to do what they want is infringing on freedom, and often for no real purpose.
  - robbiep 8y ago
    There’s a strong gun culture in Australia as well, and as an Australian, and a gun owner, I am perfectly fine with not being able to have an assault rifle. Because no one else can either, and schools don’t get shot up
    - uidjjdjje 8y ago
      Yeah no one else accept criminals and government agents. Both groups which time has herald as completely wise never failing institutions of freedom and safety. /s
    - chimeracoder 8y ago
      > There’s a strong gun culture in Australia as well, and as an Australian, and a gun owner, I am perfectly fine with not being able to have an assault rifle. Because no one else can either, and schools don’t get shot up Civilians in the US are not allowed to own assault rifles either, and haven't for decades. There are a tiny number of assault rifles in civilians' hands that were first sold over 30 years ago and were grandfathered in, but they are absurdly expensive (due to their rarity) and are generally owned by collectors.

Just to support your point: The govt. also decided to seize everyone's firearms in 1996.

bigkm 8y ago

Most of Australia was fine with this.

ajdlinux 8y ago
As an Australian, who has many issues with these surveillance laws, I'm also 100% behind our gun control.
- Sag0Sag0 8y ago
  I'm an Australian and I'm not ok with our gun laws.
- malnourish 8y ago
  I'm an outsider that feels the same. I could never move to Australia due to its stances on privacy and censorship but the gun control is an attraction.
  - shard972 8y ago
    Just so you know, if you want a gun here it's not rocket science. Go to a gun club, watch a fire guns being fired, go do a test and buy a safe. Congrats, you can now buy rifles and shotguns. There was a recent case of a father who was rejected from 3 gun clubs because he was too shifty and yet the 4th accepted him and the cops didn't see any reason to reject him. He bought a rifle and shot both his teenage kids at his x-wife's house. Also you just have to pickup the weekly papers to see cops are afraid of the rising gang violence and the amount of illegal guns that they are finding and being used. But airsoft guns are illegal so i feel so much safer than countries like NZ that let you buy AR-15s /s
- lainga 8y ago
  What do you see as the difference between them?
  - marcus_holmes 8y ago
    between surveillance laws and gun control?
shard972 8y ago
Just like most of Australia is fine with this law. This is what enlightened centerism is giving us at the moment.

gcb0 8y ago

only the usa compares freedom with firearms ownership. this is slightly offtopic here.

dfsegoat 8y ago
I made no such comparisons: I merely stated a fact to support the point re: Authoritarianism.
- stephen_g 8y ago
  There was huge democratic support for that though. To this day (well, at least in 2015), only 6% of Australians though our gun laws were too strong [1]. 1. http://www.essentialvision.com.au/gun-laws http://www.essentialvision.com.au/gun-laws
emilfihlman 8y ago
I mean, why shouldn't you have guns? As a counterpoint, gun culture (sports and hunting) is really strong here in Finland. Removing people's rights to do what they want is infringing on freedom, and often for no real purpose.
- robbiep 8y ago
  There’s a strong gun culture in Australia as well, and as an Australian, and a gun owner, I am perfectly fine with not being able to have an assault rifle. Because no one else can either, and schools don’t get shot up
  - uidjjdjje 8y ago
    Yeah no one else accept criminals and government agents. Both groups which time has herald as completely wise never failing institutions of freedom and safety. /s
  - chimeracoder 8y ago
    > There’s a strong gun culture in Australia as well, and as an Australian, and a gun owner, I am perfectly fine with not being able to have an assault rifle. Because no one else can either, and schools don’t get shot up Civilians in the US are not allowed to own assault rifles either, and haven't for decades. There are a tiny number of assault rifles in civilians' hands that were first sold over 30 years ago and were grandfathered in, but they are absurdly expensive (due to their rarity) and are generally owned by collectors.