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> Whereas there are techniques for bringing on self-forgiveness that are already available, though not yet accepted in the mainstream. Could you comment on wha

> Whereas there are techniques for bringing on self-forgiveness that are already available, though not yet accepted in the mainstream. Could you comment on what those are?

tomhoward 8y ago
There's a bunch of emotional exercises/practices that enable you to connect with unresolved traumas held in the subconscious mind, learn about what they are and how they're affecting you, and let them go. Which as far as I know is what MDMA enables, but they don't require you to have access to MDMA, and are safer for frequent long-term use. The practices all work in different ways too, so I'm sure they enable you to have experiences/insights that are quite different to what MDMA activates. Some practices I'm familiar with include Holotropic Breathwork (developed by Psychiatrist Stan Grof, who was a pioneer of research into LSD before it was banned), EFT/tapping and Milton Erickson Hypnosis. A friend of mine frequently does Family Constellations workshops and finds them highly beneficial, but I haven't tried that yet. There are others that are more left-field than I'm willing to go into here but you're welcome to email me (address in profile) if you want to know more.
- ryanmarsh 8y ago
  A religious based modality for this is called Theophostic Prayer. Careful if you google it. You'll find some bizarre stuff that had nothing to do with my treatment. It's really weird when you read about something that changed your life dramatically for the better and others trash it and talk about it using a description that sounds nothing like your reality. Really makes one wonder about other things getting blasted publicly.
  - bostonvaulter2 8y ago
    Do you have a link that does explain what you went through?
    - ryanmarsh 8y ago
      Unfortunately no.
MrEfficiency 8y ago
I can only speak about the times me and my wife had taken it together. It gave us an ability to talk about everything. Nothing weird, just a fantastic conversation. The next morning- >I had 2 TVs side by side as monitors(previously, she was worried about 'what the neighbors would think'.) >We had our finances planned for how we would deal with upcoming house work. >We learned about each other during sex, nothing weird, just better. This is the big stuff that others can likely relate to. It was like 3 hours of fantastic conversation.
- criddell 8y ago
  Do you ever think it would be a bad idea for a couple to take that trip together?
  - simonsaidit 8y ago
    It can be an awesome experience om many drugs to share it as a couple. then again e.g mdma can be used for many things. Shulgin's (creator) wife used it a lot and said it was great for reading on.
  - xkcd-sucks 8y ago
    This is probably the opposite of what you're looking for, but semi-regular, um, psychedelic therapy kept me in a relationship that third parties call "abusive." During the experiences we were in absolute perfect unity, learned lots about each other, and defaulted to kindness. This carried over for a few weeks where the experience would be fresh in memory. I fell into the trap of "it is possible for her to be better, so she will get better because she loves me."
  - thx11389793 8y ago
    If you've been holding onto a LOT, it's possible to spend the entire length of the experience processing everything you've lived up to that point. I've seen it in first-time MDMA experiences, notably a friend in his late 20s who'd only recently 'come out of his shell' so to speak. I think even in that case, his experience was probably wildly useful, despite bearing little to no resemblance to the happy empathic presentation that's commonly associated with MDMA. My answer is 'yeah, probably.' But ideally this hypothetical couple should ask someone experienced who knows them better.

> Whereas there are techniques for bringing on self-forgiveness that are already available, though not yet accepted in the mainstream. Could you comment on what those are?

tomhoward 8y ago

There's a bunch of emotional exercises/practices that enable you to connect with unresolved traumas held in the subconscious mind, learn about what they are and how they're affecting you, and let them go. Which as far as I know is what MDMA enables, but they don't require you to have access to MDMA, and are safer for frequent long-term use. The practices all work in different ways too, so I'm sure they enable you to have experiences/insights that are quite different to what MDMA activates. Some practices I'm familiar with include Holotropic Breathwork (developed by Psychiatrist Stan Grof, who was a pioneer of research into LSD before it was banned), EFT/tapping and Milton Erickson Hypnosis. A friend of mine frequently does Family Constellations workshops and finds them highly beneficial, but I haven't tried that yet. There are others that are more left-field than I'm willing to go into here but you're welcome to email me (address in profile) if you want to know more.

ryanmarsh 8y ago
A religious based modality for this is called Theophostic Prayer. Careful if you google it. You'll find some bizarre stuff that had nothing to do with my treatment. It's really weird when you read about something that changed your life dramatically for the better and others trash it and talk about it using a description that sounds nothing like your reality. Really makes one wonder about other things getting blasted publicly.
- bostonvaulter2 8y ago
  Do you have a link that does explain what you went through?
  - ryanmarsh 8y ago
    Unfortunately no.

MrEfficiency 8y ago

I can only speak about the times me and my wife had taken it together. It gave us an ability to talk about everything. Nothing weird, just a fantastic conversation. The next morning- >I had 2 TVs side by side as monitors(previously, she was worried about 'what the neighbors would think'.) >We had our finances planned for how we would deal with upcoming house work. >We learned about each other during sex, nothing weird, just better. This is the big stuff that others can likely relate to. It was like 3 hours of fantastic conversation.

criddell 8y ago
Do you ever think it would be a bad idea for a couple to take that trip together?
- simonsaidit 8y ago
  It can be an awesome experience om many drugs to share it as a couple. then again e.g mdma can be used for many things. Shulgin's (creator) wife used it a lot and said it was great for reading on.
- xkcd-sucks 8y ago
  This is probably the opposite of what you're looking for, but semi-regular, um, psychedelic therapy kept me in a relationship that third parties call "abusive." During the experiences we were in absolute perfect unity, learned lots about each other, and defaulted to kindness. This carried over for a few weeks where the experience would be fresh in memory. I fell into the trap of "it is possible for her to be better, so she will get better because she loves me."
- thx11389793 8y ago
  If you've been holding onto a LOT, it's possible to spend the entire length of the experience processing everything you've lived up to that point. I've seen it in first-time MDMA experiences, notably a friend in his late 20s who'd only recently 'come out of his shell' so to speak. I think even in that case, his experience was probably wildly useful, despite bearing little to no resemblance to the happy empathic presentation that's commonly associated with MDMA. My answer is 'yeah, probably.' But ideally this hypothetical couple should ask someone experienced who knows them better.