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Resigning seems hard, but it's a little bit like giving regular feedback in my opinion. First of all it's best done face to face, because you don't want to be m
by tinco 8y ago
Resigning seems hard, but it's a little bit like giving regular feedback in my opinion. First of all it's best done face to face, because you don't want to be misunderstood, and you want to give the other party a fair chance at replying.
Second, you give the compliment sandwich. You start out with thanking them for the opportunity (any job is an opportunity, no matter how shitty it was, you made money and you learned something, sadder but wiser you may be). Then you tell them you would wish to quit your job after the contractual resignation period. Don't neglect mentioning that! If you just say you want to resign, they might just accept your immediate resignation and you'll miss out on the period you might have planned on. The final compliment has to make sure you'll be able to work together through the final period, just assure them you'll keep up your efforts and help transfer your knowledge to colleagues.
I'll do it for you for $450 if your employers speak English or Dutch ;)
- sofon 8y agoI think like most "weird Japan" articles this one is being mischaracterised somewhat. It is often somewhat difficult in Japan to get your legal entitlement when leaving a so called "black" company. They might not easily pay out your remaining holiday, or they might use "power harassment" to otherwise make your exit process difficult. So I can see that a company like this, while not providing legal services, removes the possibility of applying harassment to coerce employees to stay a bit longer or not take their full legal entitlement.
- andruby 8y agoWhat are these so-called "black" companies? It sounds intriguing.
- Arnavion 8y agoWhite-colloar sweatshops. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_company_(Japanese_term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_company_(Japanese_term)
- jpatokal 8y agoNot necessarily white-collar: for example, restaurant chain Watami is somewhat notorious for (literally!) working their staff to death.
- emodendroket 8y agoI mean, there's also the fact that these stories never tell you how prevalent or not these services are. All the attention showered on these unusual services can give you the idea that every second person in Japan is using them when that's far from true.
- sofon 8y agoNo, but this service did also do the rounds in Japan. In this case it's most likely not very useful, but I think people can understand what the utility might be (and the social context in Japan in a little different).
- nmstoker 8y agoSurely they're even less likely to uphold their legal duties if you signal that you haven't got the courage to turn up in person.
- refoundglory 8y agoA company that quits jobs as a product probably also has strong familiarity with the relevant laws and a staff lawyer.
- sofon 8y agoDon't know, but I would guess that in most cases they want to coerce people into giving up their rights. I.e. "sign this to agree you give up your right to X". That might be remaining holiday pay or something else. Actually... thinking back I've literally had an ex-boss in Japan try to get me to sign releases to various things. In the end I paid a lawyer to tell the guy to stop harassing me. This service would have been cheaper...
- hfdgiutdryg 8y agoSo, this is more akin to paying a lawyer to author a letter for you in order to persuade another party to take the legally correct course of action.
- tonysdg 8y ago> First of all it's best done face to face, because you don't want to be misunderstood, and you want to give the other party a fair chance at replying. You're making an assumption here: that one is leaving for amicable reasons (e.g., a better paying job elsewhere, a new career path, going back to school, etc.). There's another mindset that this sort of company is perfect for: "I don't give a hoot about my soon-to-be-ex-employer, I just want out." In that case, a company like this might even be the better means of quitting -- as the saying goes, "if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all." This company provides (IMO) a valuable ways of communicating without having to get personal feelings involved (at least for the departing employee).
- ptero 8y agoAmicable reasons or not, face to face is best. At work you sometimes have to face situations that are not pleasant. Staying calm and professional pays dividends. One can (and should) still be quick and firm during the resignation meeting. And the world is a small place -- exiting right can help you in the future, even if you think you will never work with that company again. My 2c.
- risotto_groupon 8y agoI often have a hard time networking because I was raised by two very serious people who took their jobs very seriously. I made the mistake of moving to Chicago where it seems like the accepted way to "make friends" at work is for everyone to pick someone to be "Dwight Shrute" and they bond by crapping all over them as much as they can. I can't begin to tell you how utterly distasteful, unprofessional, and pretty shocking this I find this considering I work in a field full of nerds. I have no qualms about leaving workplaces with toxic cultures like this (about 90% in Chicago). I have no desire to recommend or be recommended by people who's idea of bonding is forming a clique of bullies, find job security in doing as little training and professional development for new employees as they can get away with, and excuse their own poor performance by drinking until they can't remember their own name. My work speaks for itself and has been enough to get me in the door wherever I want to go at the salaray I deserve.
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- buckminster 8y agoThese all seen like great reasons to resign in writing. You can be very clear and you won't forget anything important in the heat of the moment. Your manager can similarly provide a measured response. I always do this and I've maintained cordial relations with former employers.
- jonawesomegreen 8y ago> Second, you give the compliment sandwich. I've heard this called the shit sandwich. Good news, bad news, good news. Helps to break unpleasant news in all kinds of situations.
- groby_b 8y agoIt's an incredibly patronizing way to give feedback: "Hey, you'd never be able to handle criticism on its own, let me window dress it for you. I assume you'll be stupid enough to never notice" There are plenty of ways to deliver negative feedback with empathy, in a non-hurtful way. This, however, isn't one of them.
- jonawesomegreen 8y agoI disagree. Using a shit sandwich is a way to show empathy in a conversation and have your words heard by the other party. Contrast: I think the functionality of the application is very useful. The UI is really lacking, especially when doing X, Y and Z. I really like the Q feature it would save me some time. With: The UI sucks.
- groby_b 8y agoRemember the part where I said "with empathy, in a non-hurtful way"? "The UI sucks" is not that. Neither is the shit sandwich - it tells me that there are issues with XYZ, but it's buried in unrelated information. Are you saying that the app is helpful? That you want Q? Or that you want XYZ fixed? And if you want XYZ fixed, why are you burying it? "Hey, we have a couple of issues with XYZ. I know, you're currently looking at something else, but if we don't fix them, we'll cause problems for $USER_GROUP". Clear communication of the problem, that you're aware of the impact it has on the person, and why it's important to address the problem.
- vilmosi 8y agoHaha, honestly, this is so common that when someone at work wants to talk about a product and starts with a compliment, my mind immediately tries to figure out what could be wrong with it.