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Would you call physical theft a violent or non-violent crime? How about if that theft involved property damage?

by woolvalley 8y ago

olliej 8y ago
Honestly: I don't know. Seriously, I'm not saying these problems are easy, I'm saying that the current policies of anything and everything can lead to jail time results in long term negative effects that exacerbate existing biases. The current bail system feeds on this - if all crimes carry the potential for jail time, then all defendants can be threatened with jail time in exchange for a plea bargain that has a false confession. Let's say we go for something like "no direct victims" e.g. possession, drunk and disorderly, etc have no jail penalty, theft or violent crime does? But then how to you class smashing a window during a protest: Is that deserving of jail time? If not, then why is there the threat of incarceration pending bail? Again: I don't know, none of this really has easy yes/no answers.
jaxn 8y ago
What is and isn't a violent crime is already well-defined. Mugging is a violent crime, but shoplifting isn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_crime
- woolvalley 8y ago
  The thing is, I don't really care if people are using illegal substances or selling illegal services / objects between each other. But I get pretty pissed off when someone steals my bike, smashes my car, wakes me up in the middle of the night or similar. These are not necessarily violent, but they still are things I feel like we should prevent more than the other types.
  - jaxn 8y ago
    These issues with bonds have nothing to do with crime prevention. And whether or not you are pissed off has no bearing on how an innocent person should be treated. Oh, and in the US, every person is innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. So by definition, every bond is issued to an innocent person.

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Would you call physical theft a violent or non-violent crime? How about if that theft involved property damage?

by woolvalley 8y ago

Would you call physical theft a violent or non-violent crime? How about if that theft involved property damage?

olliej 8y ago
Honestly: I don't know. Seriously, I'm not saying these problems are easy, I'm saying that the current policies of anything and everything can lead to jail time results in long term negative effects that exacerbate existing biases. The current bail system feeds on this - if all crimes carry the potential for jail time, then all defendants can be threatened with jail time in exchange for a plea bargain that has a false confession. Let's say we go for something like "no direct victims" e.g. possession, drunk and disorderly, etc have no jail penalty, theft or violent crime does? But then how to you class smashing a window during a protest: Is that deserving of jail time? If not, then why is there the threat of incarceration pending bail? Again: I don't know, none of this really has easy yes/no answers.
jaxn 8y ago
What is and isn't a violent crime is already well-defined. Mugging is a violent crime, but shoplifting isn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_crime
- woolvalley 8y ago
  The thing is, I don't really care if people are using illegal substances or selling illegal services / objects between each other. But I get pretty pissed off when someone steals my bike, smashes my car, wakes me up in the middle of the night or similar. These are not necessarily violent, but they still are things I feel like we should prevent more than the other types.
  - jaxn 8y ago
    These issues with bonds have nothing to do with crime prevention. And whether or not you are pissed off has no bearing on how an innocent person should be treated. Oh, and in the US, every person is innocent until proven guilty in the court of law. So by definition, every bond is issued to an innocent person.