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This is a ridiculous thing to put in a software license and a completely toxic subject in general.

D3vMn9r 8y ago
Yea, these people have no culture of a political protest. Kids... Take your political concerns to your congressman / senator, leave your political views outside the door of your office. Anyways, they will learn
- astronautjones 8y ago
  Can't wait for the day VC gets into spines
mirimir 8y ago
> completely toxic subject I agree about "completely toxic". But it's the policy that's completely toxic, not the subject. I mean, separating babies from their parents? That is just fucking insane.
- hueving 8y ago
  Yes, when you phrase something without context it's easy to make it sound insane. When you include the context where they need to verify that it's not human trafficking and that children are separated from their parents every day when the parents are arrested for any other crime, it's not quite as insane.
  - mirimir 8y ago
    That sounds plausible. Except that this is happening on a much larger scale than your examples. And they're keeping families separated for months. Edit: And what really freaks me about this is what's likely over the next few decades. As global climate change disrupts marginal economies, and migration volumes increase hugely. We're basically looking at concentration camps. Edit: Some prisons now allow mothers to keep their children.
    - D3vMn9r 8y ago
      > global climate change disrupts marginal economies ... Howbout the local corruption and criminals in charge? Or everything was fine just before the g-c-ch? Get real, will ya?
  - nur0n 8y ago
    I believe you are the one lacking context. I'll assume your are not being intentionally malicious and are just naive. Abuse is almost certainly occurs in the presence of power structures with severe disparity. Children are being placed in the custody of people who lack appropriate training, background checks and supervision. Children can not defend themselves and they are separated from the people who do protect them: their parents. These are sufficient conditions for children to be mistreated; I can't bear to think of what happens when the people who run these systems choose to be actively malicious. These conditions are not only present in these "detention centers" (a thinly disguised euphemism for prisons), but also in places like poorly run orphanages and even some religious institutions, to name a few. I am disgusted by the lack of empathy when discussions such as this one come up. I could care less by your stance on immigration policy; forcing children into these systems, especially when there is no real need for it, is abhorrent behavior. - https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/23/613907893/aclu-report-detained-immigrant-children-subjected-to-widespread-abuse-by-officia https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/23/613907893... - https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/21/us/undocumented-migrant-children-detention-facilities-abuse-invs/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/21/us/undocumented-migrant-child... - https://sputniknews.com/us/201806211065644106-US-Detention-Center-Hired-Arrested-Child-Porn/ https://sputniknews.com/us/201806211065644106-US-Detention-C...
    - hueving 8y ago
      >Children can not defend themselves and they are separated from the people who do protect them: their parents Apparently you have never heard of what happens to every child initially separated from parents arrested for a felony. I suggest you look into the foster system in the US to see the horrors. The treatment at the children sucks, but it has nothing to do with Trump. It's entirely based on children in the US receiving shitty treatment under 'the system' in the US.
    - EdSharkey 8y ago
      Is there human trafficking going on on the border or not? If yes, then the detention policy and separating kids from their handlers upon ingest is happening for legitimate reasons. > forcing children into these systems, especially when there is no real need for it, is abhorrent behavior HOW that detention is being executed is definitely worth debating and certainly how individuals are treated can verge into tragic territory. Your disagreement extends into the WHY, possibly for noble political reasons, but which turns a blind eye to a serious humanitarian crisis. > I am disgusted by the lack of empathy ... This is where I got snarky, and deleted what I was going to say. I'll just note that south of the US borders, there is a LOT of human suffering to be disgusted about caused by failed approaches to government there.
- ConanRus 8y ago
  Well, the Obama administration was doing this for 8 years. No news coverage, no protests, no licenses changes. And now every snowflake is crying 24/7 about that.

Yea, these people have no culture of a political protest. Kids... Take your political concerns to your congressman / senator, leave your political views outside the door of your office. Anyways, they will learn

astronautjones 8y ago
Can't wait for the day VC gets into spines

mirimir 8y ago

> completely toxic subject I agree about "completely toxic". But it's the policy that's completely toxic, not the subject. I mean, separating babies from their parents? That is just fucking insane.

hueving 8y ago
Yes, when you phrase something without context it's easy to make it sound insane. When you include the context where they need to verify that it's not human trafficking and that children are separated from their parents every day when the parents are arrested for any other crime, it's not quite as insane.
- mirimir 8y ago
  That sounds plausible. Except that this is happening on a much larger scale than your examples. And they're keeping families separated for months. Edit: And what really freaks me about this is what's likely over the next few decades. As global climate change disrupts marginal economies, and migration volumes increase hugely. We're basically looking at concentration camps. Edit: Some prisons now allow mothers to keep their children.
  - D3vMn9r 8y ago
    > global climate change disrupts marginal economies ... Howbout the local corruption and criminals in charge? Or everything was fine just before the g-c-ch? Get real, will ya?
- nur0n 8y ago
  I believe you are the one lacking context. I'll assume your are not being intentionally malicious and are just naive. Abuse is almost certainly occurs in the presence of power structures with severe disparity. Children are being placed in the custody of people who lack appropriate training, background checks and supervision. Children can not defend themselves and they are separated from the people who do protect them: their parents. These are sufficient conditions for children to be mistreated; I can't bear to think of what happens when the people who run these systems choose to be actively malicious. These conditions are not only present in these "detention centers" (a thinly disguised euphemism for prisons), but also in places like poorly run orphanages and even some religious institutions, to name a few. I am disgusted by the lack of empathy when discussions such as this one come up. I could care less by your stance on immigration policy; forcing children into these systems, especially when there is no real need for it, is abhorrent behavior. - https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/23/613907893/aclu-report-detained-immigrant-children-subjected-to-widespread-abuse-by-officia https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/23/613907893... - https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/21/us/undocumented-migrant-children-detention-facilities-abuse-invs/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/21/us/undocumented-migrant-child... - https://sputniknews.com/us/201806211065644106-US-Detention-Center-Hired-Arrested-Child-Porn/ https://sputniknews.com/us/201806211065644106-US-Detention-C...
  - hueving 8y ago
    >Children can not defend themselves and they are separated from the people who do protect them: their parents Apparently you have never heard of what happens to every child initially separated from parents arrested for a felony. I suggest you look into the foster system in the US to see the horrors. The treatment at the children sucks, but it has nothing to do with Trump. It's entirely based on children in the US receiving shitty treatment under 'the system' in the US.
  - EdSharkey 8y ago
    Is there human trafficking going on on the border or not? If yes, then the detention policy and separating kids from their handlers upon ingest is happening for legitimate reasons. > forcing children into these systems, especially when there is no real need for it, is abhorrent behavior HOW that detention is being executed is definitely worth debating and certainly how individuals are treated can verge into tragic territory. Your disagreement extends into the WHY, possibly for noble political reasons, but which turns a blind eye to a serious humanitarian crisis. > I am disgusted by the lack of empathy ... This is where I got snarky, and deleted what I was going to say. I'll just note that south of the US borders, there is a LOT of human suffering to be disgusted about caused by failed approaches to government there.
ConanRus 8y ago
Well, the Obama administration was doing this for 8 years. No news coverage, no protests, no licenses changes. And now every snowflake is crying 24/7 about that.