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I'm all in favor of restricting what companies do with our data, but mandating that they continue to host everything we post ad infinitum? That doesn't seem re

I'm all in favor of restricting what companies do with our data, but mandating that they continue to host everything we post ad infinitum? That doesn't seem reasonable to me.

taurath 8y ago
At the very least they're completely breaking the social contract they have with their users. Users post their data, they get the service, in return for Facebook making money off of that data. If Facebook decides to stop providing a service that keeps people on Facebook, Facebook will stop getting the data. Users paid for the service with their data, which Facebook can turn into money. The idea that users don't "pay" for Facebook ignores what Facebook does.
- dasil003 8y ago
  I feel like you're conflating what I said with a sibling comment. Paying has nothing to do with my point, and I don't see what social contract that Facebook is obligated to host anything and everything they once allowed forever.
  - taurath 8y ago
    They built the feature that people's post histories stay forever. They promoted it, with things like memory posts. People used it with the expectation that it would stay. They took the posts down, with zero warning, zero hey we're deprecating this, back up your things. If your stuff was taken down and you care about it, one would hope that you would trust facebook less.
    - drewmol 8y ago
      Yes I agree but didn't this just happen? It's not like they actually deleted anything, maybe it's an initial twitter purge for impact, and they'll restore the old ones after some breif period? Toward your point, Facebook is currently promoting themselves as newly invigorated protectors of your data, which certainly implys retention.
conradev 8y ago
and this is exactly why Archiveteam has to exist: https://archiveteam.org https://archiveteam.org They try to stay ahead of troves of data going dark so they can save them somewhere first.
- zaarn 8y ago
  I'm uprading my current storage capabilities so I can make a few backups of some sites as well (HN might be a good first test)

I'm all in favor of restricting what companies do with our data, but mandating that they continue to host everything we post ad infinitum? That doesn't seem reasonable to me.

taurath 8y ago

At the very least they're completely breaking the social contract they have with their users. Users post their data, they get the service, in return for Facebook making money off of that data. If Facebook decides to stop providing a service that keeps people on Facebook, Facebook will stop getting the data. Users paid for the service with their data, which Facebook can turn into money. The idea that users don't "pay" for Facebook ignores what Facebook does.

dasil003 8y ago
I feel like you're conflating what I said with a sibling comment. Paying has nothing to do with my point, and I don't see what social contract that Facebook is obligated to host anything and everything they once allowed forever.
- taurath 8y ago
  They built the feature that people's post histories stay forever. They promoted it, with things like memory posts. People used it with the expectation that it would stay. They took the posts down, with zero warning, zero hey we're deprecating this, back up your things. If your stuff was taken down and you care about it, one would hope that you would trust facebook less.
  - drewmol 8y ago
    Yes I agree but didn't this just happen? It's not like they actually deleted anything, maybe it's an initial twitter purge for impact, and they'll restore the old ones after some breif period? Toward your point, Facebook is currently promoting themselves as newly invigorated protectors of your data, which certainly implys retention.

conradev 8y ago

and this is exactly why Archiveteam has to exist: https://archiveteam.org https://archiveteam.org They try to stay ahead of troves of data going dark so they can save them somewhere first.

zaarn 8y ago
I'm uprading my current storage capabilities so I can make a few backups of some sites as well (HN might be a good first test)