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What does that even mean? Of course your job has power over your employment that's tautological. And given how expensive hiring people is there's a market inter

What does that even mean? Of course your job has power over your employment that's tautological. And given how expensive hiring people is there's a market interest in making sure "free thinkers" don't drive entire groups away in their vain attempt to pretend it's the 19th century. If you feel you have a right to bull others and to deny that is to restrict your ability to "dissent"; if you feel that you have the right to spread false information (women aren't welcome in tech, any given race isn't welcome, any given sexuality isn't welcome, etc"; then you should perhaps sit down and remember your company is going to exercise its free speech and kick you too the curb. The cost of giving you a "safe space to dissent" isn't worth reducing the hiring pool. Free market baby, get fucking used to it.

stale2002 8y ago
That's fine to believe this, but don't pretend like the person you are responding to is "privileged". That is what the person was arguing against. Yes, a company can fire you for basically any reason, even of it is because you wore a blue shirt or voted for the wrong person. But don't pretend that workers are "privileged" or the people in power in this situation.
- lordCarbonFiber 8y ago
  What Im against is these morons that think they're entitled to a space to excercise their bigotry despite the obvious capital costs of it. It's not a question of privilege it's a question of what is your value system. Do you believe in organizational power of free markets? If so you are by definition for these types of tolerance programs. Corporate social responsibility isn't charity; it's just good business sense. Unless you're a conman preying on fear, bigotry is categorically bad for business.
  - stale2002 8y ago
    The original poster was responding to someone who explicitly was bringing up the ideas of privilege. Example quote from above "If you do not perceive that imbalance, it means you are on the better end of it, and your lack of stand is simply apathy for the status quo." This was the topic that was brought up, and the original poster was responding to this. Like I said, it is perfectly ok for you to not care about the ideas of power and privilege. Although I will say that many people on the left claim to care about these ideas, so it make sense to bring these ideas up when discussing things that happen at large, left-wing companies. But the point that the OP was making is that it is very ironic to bring up these concepts. It is ironic because the suppression of dissent is very real power. It is not a judgment on whether this is right or wrong. It is merely a statement of fact, that quite the opposite to what people claim about "privilege" and power, that if you are afraid of disagreeing with the powers that be, then you are definitely not "privileged".
dang 8y ago
> What does that even mean? [...] Free market baby, get fucking used to it. Please don't take HN threads further into the flamewar style. It's possible to disagree without doing that, and on this site, necessary. You needn't look far for good examples: you replied to one, and it was replying to another. Please be like them and not like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

stale2002 8y ago

That's fine to believe this, but don't pretend like the person you are responding to is "privileged". That is what the person was arguing against. Yes, a company can fire you for basically any reason, even of it is because you wore a blue shirt or voted for the wrong person. But don't pretend that workers are "privileged" or the people in power in this situation.

lordCarbonFiber 8y ago
What Im against is these morons that think they're entitled to a space to excercise their bigotry despite the obvious capital costs of it. It's not a question of privilege it's a question of what is your value system. Do you believe in organizational power of free markets? If so you are by definition for these types of tolerance programs. Corporate social responsibility isn't charity; it's just good business sense. Unless you're a conman preying on fear, bigotry is categorically bad for business.
- stale2002 8y ago
  The original poster was responding to someone who explicitly was bringing up the ideas of privilege. Example quote from above "If you do not perceive that imbalance, it means you are on the better end of it, and your lack of stand is simply apathy for the status quo." This was the topic that was brought up, and the original poster was responding to this. Like I said, it is perfectly ok for you to not care about the ideas of power and privilege. Although I will say that many people on the left claim to care about these ideas, so it make sense to bring these ideas up when discussing things that happen at large, left-wing companies. But the point that the OP was making is that it is very ironic to bring up these concepts. It is ironic because the suppression of dissent is very real power. It is not a judgment on whether this is right or wrong. It is merely a statement of fact, that quite the opposite to what people claim about "privilege" and power, that if you are afraid of disagreeing with the powers that be, then you are definitely not "privileged".

dang 8y ago

> What does that even mean? [...] Free market baby, get fucking used to it. Please don't take HN threads further into the flamewar style. It's possible to disagree without doing that, and on this site, necessary. You needn't look far for good examples: you replied to one, and it was replying to another. Please be like them and not like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html