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It doesn't tho. If my co-worker is donating to Trump, and talking about kicking foreign workers out of America, they're literally talking about kicking ME out

It doesn't tho. If my co-worker is donating to Trump, and talking about kicking foreign workers out of America, they're literally talking about kicking ME out of the country. They're donating money to a politician who wants to make my life harder, and make my visa process less pleasant. I can tolerate my co-worker all day, but if they're working to make my life less pleasant and workable, they're going to feel some chill. Sorry you're eating alone conservatives, but you're working at a place with thousands of foreign co-workers, what did you think was going to happen?

DuskStar 8y ago
Let's turn that around. In case it's not clear, these aren't my beliefs: If my co-worker is opposing Trump, and talking about bringing more foreign workers to America, they're literally talking about lowering MY wages. They're donating money to a politician who wants to make my life harder, and make my work environment more competitive. I can tolerate my co-worker all day, but if they're working to make my life less pleasant and workable, they're going to feel some chill. Sorry you're eating alone immigrants, but you're working at a place with tens of thousands of native co-workers, what did you think was going to happen?
- bobdole12345 8y ago
  Here's why those are different: One is an abstract affect on your paycheck that may, or may not be real. And the other is a definitive slight against my worth and my legitimacy as their co-worker.
  - DuskStar 8y ago
    Oh, I'd agree it's not quite as strong an argument. But it's not a slight on your worth - if anything it's saying you're worth enough to not want to compete against! Legitimacy, sure. I'd still rather people end up at least being exposed to opposing arguments, even if they aren't ones I'd make or agree with. And if it convinces someone that perhaps they're in a MAD situation instead of one where they're ensured a win, well... It's probably worth it. Personally, I think that high-skill immigration is a very good thing for the country, and not a bad thing for the workers in the sectors they'd be joining. It's a globalized economy - competing with an engineer from Korea when they're 50 feet down the street isn't that far from competing with them while they're in Seoul.

DuskStar 8y ago

Let's turn that around. In case it's not clear, these aren't my beliefs: If my co-worker is opposing Trump, and talking about bringing more foreign workers to America, they're literally talking about lowering MY wages. They're donating money to a politician who wants to make my life harder, and make my work environment more competitive. I can tolerate my co-worker all day, but if they're working to make my life less pleasant and workable, they're going to feel some chill. Sorry you're eating alone immigrants, but you're working at a place with tens of thousands of native co-workers, what did you think was going to happen?

bobdole12345 8y ago
Here's why those are different: One is an abstract affect on your paycheck that may, or may not be real. And the other is a definitive slight against my worth and my legitimacy as their co-worker.
- DuskStar 8y ago
  Oh, I'd agree it's not quite as strong an argument. But it's not a slight on your worth - if anything it's saying you're worth enough to not want to compete against! Legitimacy, sure. I'd still rather people end up at least being exposed to opposing arguments, even if they aren't ones I'd make or agree with. And if it convinces someone that perhaps they're in a MAD situation instead of one where they're ensured a win, well... It's probably worth it. Personally, I think that high-skill immigration is a very good thing for the country, and not a bad thing for the workers in the sectors they'd be joining. It's a globalized economy - competing with an engineer from Korea when they're 50 feet down the street isn't that far from competing with them while they're in Seoul.