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It depends on who you ask. Saying something in public or doing something against some of the hot, left-leaning ideas of this time (feminism, or homosexualism) c

by haha99 8y ago

It depends on who you ask. Saying something in public or doing something against some of the hot, left-leaning ideas of this time (feminism, or homosexualism) could very well get you fired. I'm sure you can think of examples... Problem is that some people want to lump, for example, "abortion is murder" and "burn all niggers" together so nobody can ever make the former point.

cycrutchfield 8y ago
>hot, left-leaning ideas of this time >equal rights for women >equal rights for people regardless of their sexuality What is "this time"? The 1800s?
- ThrustVectoring 8y ago
  Western feminism is no longer a movement that does any appreciable work towards equal rights for women. They, uhh, kind of already have that in the developed world.
  - __d 8y ago
    The fact that "western feminism" doesn't appear to believe that women have achieved equal rights seems to me like maybe there's some more discussion to be had and changes to be made?
    - ThrustVectoring 8y ago
      Feminists are still trying to change society and still have a narrative of being about "equal rights" as a concept. They have equality under the law by any reasonable definition. Reproductive health access and family leave laws are the best example I can think of, and even that's a stretch. Do you have better examples?
      - stochastic_monk 8y ago
        Then why is there such pushback against the Equal Rights Amendment?
      - __d 8y ago
        My impression of the situation is that while the law might confer equal rights, it doesn't result in equal lived experience. Changing the law is one thing; changing culture and expectations is another.
        ThrustVectoring 8y ago
        Of course. Changing the law can grant or deny rights, changing culture and expectations can't.
- umvi 8y ago
  See, you're doing it too. You're assuming that ALL feminist ideas are morally invincible on the grounds that they are championing "equal rights for women" (whether that's actually true or not) and shaming GP for implying differently
  - invisible 8y ago
    I downvoted you (and I assume others did too) because your assertion is only half true and that makes it pretty misleading. The other valid reply presented was about "homosexualism" (not sure what that means exactly) and in that context "feminism" means "rights," thus "equal rights." So ya, I think 1800s is a pretty fair (albeit satirical) statement/question.
- haha99 8y ago
  That feels like a strawman. When people want to debate feminism nowadays they don't want to talk about whether women should have equal rights or not. For example some people say abortion is part of feminism. Some are for it some are against it. That doesn't mean they want to keep women as sex slaves.

by haha99 8y ago

cycrutchfield 8y ago

>hot, left-leaning ideas of this time >equal rights for women >equal rights for people regardless of their sexuality What is "this time"? The 1800s?

ThrustVectoring 8y ago
Western feminism is no longer a movement that does any appreciable work towards equal rights for women. They, uhh, kind of already have that in the developed world.
- __d 8y ago
  The fact that "western feminism" doesn't appear to believe that women have achieved equal rights seems to me like maybe there's some more discussion to be had and changes to be made?
  - ThrustVectoring 8y ago
    Feminists are still trying to change society and still have a narrative of being about "equal rights" as a concept. They have equality under the law by any reasonable definition. Reproductive health access and family leave laws are the best example I can think of, and even that's a stretch. Do you have better examples?
    - stochastic_monk 8y ago
      Then why is there such pushback against the Equal Rights Amendment?
    - __d 8y ago
      My impression of the situation is that while the law might confer equal rights, it doesn't result in equal lived experience. Changing the law is one thing; changing culture and expectations is another.
      - ThrustVectoring 8y ago
        Of course. Changing the law can grant or deny rights, changing culture and expectations can't.
umvi 8y ago
See, you're doing it too. You're assuming that ALL feminist ideas are morally invincible on the grounds that they are championing "equal rights for women" (whether that's actually true or not) and shaming GP for implying differently
- invisible 8y ago
  I downvoted you (and I assume others did too) because your assertion is only half true and that makes it pretty misleading. The other valid reply presented was about "homosexualism" (not sure what that means exactly) and in that context "feminism" means "rights," thus "equal rights." So ya, I think 1800s is a pretty fair (albeit satirical) statement/question.
haha99 8y ago
That feels like a strawman. When people want to debate feminism nowadays they don't want to talk about whether women should have equal rights or not. For example some people say abortion is part of feminism. Some are for it some are against it. That doesn't mean they want to keep women as sex slaves.