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This thread is full of people defending and endorsing identity politics. The comment I'm replying to in this thread is a great example. Obama in particular wa

This thread is full of people defending and endorsing identity politics. The comment I'm replying to in this thread is a great example. Obama in particular was very careful not to do that.

dragonwriter 8y ago
> This thread is full of people defending and endorsing identity politics. So were random conversations with Obama supporters. > Obama in particular was very careful not to do that. And yet, to the extent that is true, he was still charged with it by critics just like you, because plenty of people in his base did it, and so that was—to them—the primary message of Obama's party. Of course, he was also a accused of doing it directly with his own statements, not just being the face of movement which did it, particularly after his “evolution” on LGBT rights during his first term, and also specifically in his speech addressing the killing of Trayvon Martin.
- yourbandsucks 8y ago
  Man, you are comparing totally unfair attacks on Obama to totally fair attacks on rich 25yos who say ridiculous things about race and privilege without ever having any real hardship or responsibility in their lives. I mean, you want to compare the Trayvon Martin story to stories of techies pitching a fit about the word "blacklist" in a codebase? That's the kind of thing I'm talking about, in case it wasn't clear. Can we not differentiate?
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > Man, you are comparing totally unfair attacks on Obama to totally fair attacks on rich 25yos who say ridiculous things about race and privilege without ever having any real hardship or responsibility in their lives. This is incorrect on several levels. But, most centrally, I'm saying people like the rich 20 year olds have been around forever, that people have been attacking the Democratic Party about them forever, they aren't a meaningful change from what has been around for decades, and your implicit claim that they are a change from Clinton and Obama is erroneous I. comparing fringe non-politicians that may seem locally significant in your social circles to career politicians who are also succesful Presidential candidates and being surprised that the former have a less carefully crafted political presentation for mass appeal, which is an unsurprising observation with no particular significance.
    - yourbandsucks 8y ago
      Poor 20something artists with far left views have been around forever. 25yos making 200k working for the man and then lecturing others who make less about privilege is pretty new. I get what you're saying about singling out the dumbest individuals in a movement, but as techie liberals, I think we have an obligation to police. Just like principled conservatives vs their racists.

This thread is full of people defending and endorsing identity politics. The comment I'm replying to in this thread is a great example. Obama in particular was very careful not to do that.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> This thread is full of people defending and endorsing identity politics. So were random conversations with Obama supporters. > Obama in particular was very careful not to do that. And yet, to the extent that is true, he was still charged with it by critics just like you, because plenty of people in his base did it, and so that was—to them—the primary message of Obama's party. Of course, he was also a accused of doing it directly with his own statements, not just being the face of movement which did it, particularly after his “evolution” on LGBT rights during his first term, and also specifically in his speech addressing the killing of Trayvon Martin.

yourbandsucks 8y ago
Man, you are comparing totally unfair attacks on Obama to totally fair attacks on rich 25yos who say ridiculous things about race and privilege without ever having any real hardship or responsibility in their lives. I mean, you want to compare the Trayvon Martin story to stories of techies pitching a fit about the word "blacklist" in a codebase? That's the kind of thing I'm talking about, in case it wasn't clear. Can we not differentiate?
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > Man, you are comparing totally unfair attacks on Obama to totally fair attacks on rich 25yos who say ridiculous things about race and privilege without ever having any real hardship or responsibility in their lives. This is incorrect on several levels. But, most centrally, I'm saying people like the rich 20 year olds have been around forever, that people have been attacking the Democratic Party about them forever, they aren't a meaningful change from what has been around for decades, and your implicit claim that they are a change from Clinton and Obama is erroneous I. comparing fringe non-politicians that may seem locally significant in your social circles to career politicians who are also succesful Presidential candidates and being surprised that the former have a less carefully crafted political presentation for mass appeal, which is an unsurprising observation with no particular significance.
  - yourbandsucks 8y ago
    Poor 20something artists with far left views have been around forever. 25yos making 200k working for the man and then lecturing others who make less about privilege is pretty new. I get what you're saying about singling out the dumbest individuals in a movement, but as techie liberals, I think we have an obligation to police. Just like principled conservatives vs their racists.