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Like I mentioned, I don't think you're looking at this in a realistic view. The original constitution was a very principled document, and yet it excluded many r

Like I mentioned, I don't think you're looking at this in a realistic view. The original constitution was a very principled document, and yet it excluded many rights to women, poor white folks, and had no protections for Native Americans or African Americans, and wouldn't you know it.. the whole thing was written by rich white landowners. In internet discussions too often do people want to drop the history of hundreds of years of identity based politics, and I think it's because now identity politics are being used in a way that they feel threatened by.

stcredzero 8y ago
The original constitution was a very principled document, and yet it excluded many The proper way to fix that, is to become better at applying the principles. That would be a step forward. It would be a step backwards to start saying one group is bad and another group should be elevated due to characteristics. In internet discussions too often do people want to drop the history of hundreds of years of identity based politics There are many views of history, and the way that minority groups lift themselves up is not well represented in the public discourse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w0X71d9Z08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w0X71d9Z08 I think it's because now identity politics are being used in a way that they feel threatened by. If identity politics are being used to divide people and devolve public discourse into toxic in-group/out-group, then I think there is indeed a threat there. If identity politics are being used as a substitute for principles, then there is indeed a threat to society.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> The original constitution was a very principled document I know that's an article of faith in the American civic cult, but it's not at all grounded in fact. The original Constitution is a pile of pragmatic compromises between competing factions faced with an immediate practical crisis, which they approached from radically different viewpoints and sets of principles.
toasterlovin 8y ago
> I think it's because now identity politics are being used in a way that they feel threatened by. On the contrary, white people are so not okay with white identity politics that the mere accusation of racism is a stain which will taint a public figure for the rest of their life. And actual, documented racism is usually a career ending event.

stcredzero 8y ago

The original constitution was a very principled document, and yet it excluded many The proper way to fix that, is to become better at applying the principles. That would be a step forward. It would be a step backwards to start saying one group is bad and another group should be elevated due to characteristics. In internet discussions too often do people want to drop the history of hundreds of years of identity based politics There are many views of history, and the way that minority groups lift themselves up is not well represented in the public discourse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w0X71d9Z08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w0X71d9Z08 I think it's because now identity politics are being used in a way that they feel threatened by. If identity politics are being used to divide people and devolve public discourse into toxic in-group/out-group, then I think there is indeed a threat there. If identity politics are being used as a substitute for principles, then there is indeed a threat to society.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> The original constitution was a very principled document I know that's an article of faith in the American civic cult, but it's not at all grounded in fact. The original Constitution is a pile of pragmatic compromises between competing factions faced with an immediate practical crisis, which they approached from radically different viewpoints and sets of principles.

toasterlovin 8y ago

> I think it's because now identity politics are being used in a way that they feel threatened by. On the contrary, white people are so not okay with white identity politics that the mere accusation of racism is a stain which will taint a public figure for the rest of their life. And actual, documented racism is usually a career ending event.