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Trivially disproven by UK's health care system, which consistently ranks #1 in the world by outcomes and employs price caps for health care suppliers. https://

Trivially disproven by UK's health care system, which consistently ranks #1 in the world by outcomes and employs price caps for health care suppliers. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/press-release/2017/new-11-country-study-us-health-care-system-has-widest-gap-between-people-higher https://www.commonwealthfund.org/press-release/2017/new-11-c... > Mandating supplies must be available at-cost to consumers is just a stupid cost-shifting game. That's not what I suggested in my post at all. Also, if it reduces costs for the end consumer, what's the harm? Why should consumers subsidize hospitals with cutthroat billing departments who make up numbers out of thin air?

hathathat 8y ago
> Trivially disproven by UK's health care system Not trivially? [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/18/uk-cancer-survival-rates-lag-behind-those-of-other-european-countries-study https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/18/uk-cancer-su...
senorjazz 8y ago
> Also, if it reduces costs for the end consumer, what's the harm? Less profit for the company.
prirun 8y ago
Are you suggesting that a sick person, recovering from an operation, be responsible for researching prices on the parts that were used in surgery? Most do not have the time or expertise for that, nor would anyone want to do it.
- antisthenes 8y ago
  Have your spouse/relative shop around for replacement while you recover. Or be destitute for 10 years after being bankrupted by medical bills. I know which one I'd prefer. > Most do not have the time or expertise for that, nor would anyone want to do it. Is that a joke? You can find most of those things with a 30 second Google search. I thought this was a forum with technically apt people?
loeg 8y ago
NHS is a single-payer system, which is one of the solutions I proposed. Yes, mandating supplies be sold at-cost is exactly what you proposed: > Hospitals should be legally mandated to accept replacement of materials in lieu of payment. > If I can source the same stents for cheaper than the hospital bills me, they should be required to erase them from the bill and accept them as material replacement. And to address: > Also, if it reduces costs for the end consumer, what's the harm? The problem is in the condition. At the end of the day, ineffective regulation increases costs for the consumer.

hathathat 8y ago

> Trivially disproven by UK's health care system Not trivially? [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/18/uk-cancer-survival-rates-lag-behind-those-of-other-european-countries-study https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/18/uk-cancer-su...

senorjazz 8y ago

> Also, if it reduces costs for the end consumer, what's the harm? Less profit for the company.

prirun 8y ago

Are you suggesting that a sick person, recovering from an operation, be responsible for researching prices on the parts that were used in surgery? Most do not have the time or expertise for that, nor would anyone want to do it.

antisthenes 8y ago
Have your spouse/relative shop around for replacement while you recover. Or be destitute for 10 years after being bankrupted by medical bills. I know which one I'd prefer. > Most do not have the time or expertise for that, nor would anyone want to do it. Is that a joke? You can find most of those things with a 30 second Google search. I thought this was a forum with technically apt people?

loeg 8y ago

NHS is a single-payer system, which is one of the solutions I proposed. Yes, mandating supplies be sold at-cost is exactly what you proposed: > Hospitals should be legally mandated to accept replacement of materials in lieu of payment. > If I can source the same stents for cheaper than the hospital bills me, they should be required to erase them from the bill and accept them as material replacement. And to address: > Also, if it reduces costs for the end consumer, what's the harm? The problem is in the condition. At the end of the day, ineffective regulation increases costs for the consumer.