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>Are there use cases for Magic Leap that support non gamers ? Or is it mostly a niche product like an Oculus ? AR will definitely be the way forward for all co

>Are there use cases for Magic Leap that support non gamers ? Or is it mostly a niche product like an Oculus ? AR will definitely be the way forward for all computing. This brief awkward period of 50ish years using analog inputs and physical screens which we are currently living through will be seen as a blip in the history of human-computer interaction hundreds of years from now. However the only use case for this iteration of the technology is for developers to begin working on new interaction paradigms and app ideas for AR in general. We're still years away from true consumer tech but I can admit as someone very familiar with VR/AR hardware that the Magic Leap One is a solid evolutionary step forward from what we've seen so far. I'm not impressed enough to buy one yet, but at least the company has shown they aren't total vaporware at this point and hopefully they can keep improving.

xixixao 8y ago
I am a big VR/AR fan, but I am interacting with this forum sitting in a chair moving my hands max 2 inches there and back. That's comfortable. That's something I can do for hours and hours. It's quite possible that VR/AR will augment, not replace.
- CodeCube 8y ago
  The real trick is going to come from the new interaction models that are invented ... I'm not just talking about the generic point, touch, and gesture UX that we have today in the AR/VR space; I'm talking about entirely new categories of tasks and abilities that are simply not possible using the inputs of today. We're already starting to see some really innovative art being created by "physically" being in the space (as in Tilt Brush) ... I wonder when we'll start seeing more 3d content creation tools being VR-native. Or CAD tools where you can lay out changes to a structure in real time ... that one is especially interesting given that you can (in theory) make a real-time map of your environment using some of the "inside out" positioning sensors that are already on headsets today.
- troygoode 8y ago
  On the timescale OP is talking about there is a decent chance users won’t have to move their hands/fingers at all. https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/19/facebook-brain-interface/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/19/facebook-brain-interface/ AR would replace the display, not all input mechanisms.
  - earenndil 8y ago
    What if I don't trust facebook with my brainstate? (Or google or literally any other company.)
- aphextron 8y ago
  Total replacement won't come until things are completely seamless, but it's definitely happening. Especially in cars. It will just become completely seamless for you to ask your car to display directions from Google maps as an AR projection on all the vehicle windows. Once these headsets get down to a normal pair of glasses with full FOV, people will just wear them all day every day. At that point the lines between reality and virtual will blur and AR will be the default interaction.
chooseaname 8y ago
The problem is people don't want stuff on their face. They tolerate glasses because they are a necessity for most wearers. But if you hang outside the LensCrafters store and ask people, nearly all would tell you they generally dislike wearing them[0]. [0] Yeah, I know, there are people who wear them for "fashion".
- spicymaki 8y ago
  I love my glasses. They help me see better. They are so light I don't even remember that I am wearing them. They also provide rudimentary physical and UV radiation protection for my eyes. They transition to a darker color outdoors and reduce glare. They also look nice on me. Would be fun to see a poll on whether people in general like or dislike glasses.
  - thefounder 8y ago
    I think a better pool would be to see if people would replace their laptop or smartphone with a pair of glasses because after all this is what the smartglass manufacturers aim to do.
    - TeMPOraL 8y ago
      I definitely would. Hell, these days I find myself dreaming of AR contact lenses, so I could peruse some discreet computing in situations where I'm otherwise unoccupied, but the social context demands me not fiddling with a phone.
- thefounder 8y ago
  Of course people will tolerate glasses(more or less smart) if the experience is worth it. I don't think people ever enjoyed carrying things around(laptops, tablets, smartphones etc) but they do. They don't really like big loudspeakers or TVs or tv setup boxes either still they buy them. I would replace both my laptop and my smartphone with a pair of glasses anytime(if it would be possible).
  - 8y ago
JohnJamesRambo 8y ago
Hmmm, this reads like those old predictions that we will type all of our text via voice dictation in the future. Turns out keyboards work great and are way less frustrating and more precise and the voice to text is only used in special use cases such as driving and for simple queries.
- StudentStuff 8y ago
  There are masses of people out there who don't type SMS out anymore, and let the errors fall where they may. I know a few people like that, some have written whole essays using speech to text. In terms of throwing ideas into text using as little effort as possible, Google has definitely nailed it with their transcription offering. Its incredibly accurate and free for consumers to use. Hopefully Sphinx and Mozilla's DeepSpeech will improve rapidly, otherwise this will remain Google's domain.

xixixao 8y ago

I am a big VR/AR fan, but I am interacting with this forum sitting in a chair moving my hands max 2 inches there and back. That's comfortable. That's something I can do for hours and hours. It's quite possible that VR/AR will augment, not replace.

CodeCube 8y ago
The real trick is going to come from the new interaction models that are invented ... I'm not just talking about the generic point, touch, and gesture UX that we have today in the AR/VR space; I'm talking about entirely new categories of tasks and abilities that are simply not possible using the inputs of today. We're already starting to see some really innovative art being created by "physically" being in the space (as in Tilt Brush) ... I wonder when we'll start seeing more 3d content creation tools being VR-native. Or CAD tools where you can lay out changes to a structure in real time ... that one is especially interesting given that you can (in theory) make a real-time map of your environment using some of the "inside out" positioning sensors that are already on headsets today.
troygoode 8y ago
On the timescale OP is talking about there is a decent chance users won’t have to move their hands/fingers at all. https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/19/facebook-brain-interface/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/19/facebook-brain-interface/ AR would replace the display, not all input mechanisms.
- earenndil 8y ago
  What if I don't trust facebook with my brainstate? (Or google or literally any other company.)
aphextron 8y ago
Total replacement won't come until things are completely seamless, but it's definitely happening. Especially in cars. It will just become completely seamless for you to ask your car to display directions from Google maps as an AR projection on all the vehicle windows. Once these headsets get down to a normal pair of glasses with full FOV, people will just wear them all day every day. At that point the lines between reality and virtual will blur and AR will be the default interaction.

chooseaname 8y ago

The problem is people don't want stuff on their face. They tolerate glasses because they are a necessity for most wearers. But if you hang outside the LensCrafters store and ask people, nearly all would tell you they generally dislike wearing them[0]. [0] Yeah, I know, there are people who wear them for "fashion".

spicymaki 8y ago
I love my glasses. They help me see better. They are so light I don't even remember that I am wearing them. They also provide rudimentary physical and UV radiation protection for my eyes. They transition to a darker color outdoors and reduce glare. They also look nice on me. Would be fun to see a poll on whether people in general like or dislike glasses.
- thefounder 8y ago
  I think a better pool would be to see if people would replace their laptop or smartphone with a pair of glasses because after all this is what the smartglass manufacturers aim to do.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    I definitely would. Hell, these days I find myself dreaming of AR contact lenses, so I could peruse some discreet computing in situations where I'm otherwise unoccupied, but the social context demands me not fiddling with a phone.
thefounder 8y ago
Of course people will tolerate glasses(more or less smart) if the experience is worth it. I don't think people ever enjoyed carrying things around(laptops, tablets, smartphones etc) but they do. They don't really like big loudspeakers or TVs or tv setup boxes either still they buy them. I would replace both my laptop and my smartphone with a pair of glasses anytime(if it would be possible).
- 8y ago

JohnJamesRambo 8y ago

Hmmm, this reads like those old predictions that we will type all of our text via voice dictation in the future. Turns out keyboards work great and are way less frustrating and more precise and the voice to text is only used in special use cases such as driving and for simple queries.

StudentStuff 8y ago
There are masses of people out there who don't type SMS out anymore, and let the errors fall where they may. I know a few people like that, some have written whole essays using speech to text. In terms of throwing ideas into text using as little effort as possible, Google has definitely nailed it with their transcription offering. Its incredibly accurate and free for consumers to use. Hopefully Sphinx and Mozilla's DeepSpeech will improve rapidly, otherwise this will remain Google's domain.