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NYC Mesh – community-owned network to replace your current internet connection
- aero142 8y agoThis doesn't seem to actually be a mesh network.
- yale 8y agoCan you please elaborate?
- aero142 8y agoI think I was a bit too terse, but I really feel like it's on them to explain themselves better. They link to this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=glW_S9bKAHk https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=glW_... That does not describe anything related to a mesh network. It appears that the people running it are joining nodes in a mesh network, but they don't seem to be encouraging you to join in a mesh network.
- LeoPanthera 8y agoFrom the article: "All of our network nodes cooperate in the distribution of data, and the network can also function independently in case of emergencies or internet shutdown." Sounds fairly meshy to me.
- walrus01 8y agoSomething like bgp+ospf adjacency between routers and ring/triangle shaped networks can provide a high degree of resilience, but are not "mesh".
- unethical_ban 8y agoYes, it is, though the homepage doesn't seem to explain it well. You can connect to their "supernodes" which are the backbone, that connect to the Internet proper. You can also connect via other member nodes. So by my understanding of the colloquial term "mesh" for wifi, it is. I do take issue with their FAQ stating they're not an ISP. They are providing Internet access to the public. They are an ISP, even if their structure and methods are unconventional. Maybe they're avoiding the term due to legalese? It's an interesting project. I wonder if something like that would work in urban San Antonio... Hm!
- phikai 8y agoShout out to a fellow San Antonio local!
- unethical_ban 8y agoKai from Ultimate? internet at cyberfoxfire com
- fabricexpert 8y agoIt's not really a mesh network. It's basically stick a dish on your roof and point it at a tower downtown that has a direct connection to the internet. Yes you can then extend it a bit a sort of create a mesh, but it's not really the same as having a mesh network which spreads out evenly from individual access points.
- walrus01 8y agoThis is not really a mesh neteork. It may resemble a mesh in a logical diagram, but it's composed of PTP wireless, ptmp, and fiber.
- ris 8y agoAgreed. Seems to be fairly static routing, albeit using BGP. Doesn't appear to be a mesh protocol in sight.
- nycmesh 8y agoBGP is mesh, we also use bmx6
- ATsch 8y agoYou are being downvoted, but this is a good point. People would usually expect it to be a peer-to-peer mesh system without any supernodes. The problem is that in the experience of the similar German "freifunk" project, which tried this with custom router firmware, this really doesn't scale well, even with a custom developed routing protocol (B.A.T.M.A.N). So many Freifunk communities are also choosing this supernode setup as a compromise between "full" mesh and good connectivity.
- _m_a_t_t_ 8y agoIt is a hybrid at this point. Supernode and hub connections are not mesh connections, but there is some second hop meshing still happening between nodes where there is not line of sight to a hub.
- markn951 8y agoStuff like this make me long to live in NYC. Only city in the US with the density, technical expertise, and money for this kind of thing to happen.
- komali2 8y agoI thought the same was true for the Bay Area, hence why I moved here. I was genuinely surprised to find Google Fiber isn't even available, let alone any mesh networks. In all other aspects of technical expertise though it's blowing my previous city, Houston, away. Companies open to candidates based on technical expertise alone (rather than throwing non-B.S. degrees straight into the garbage), lots of great meetups, lots of fellow geeks doing exciting work. Actually, another thing that surprised me was lack of hacker spaces - Houston seemed to have the same amount of them... one. The only major one I'm aware of here is Noisebridge, same for Houston which has TX/RX. edit: oh, apparently SF has quite a few more than I realized. So does Houston, but not as many. https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/San_Francisco https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/San_Francisco https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Houston https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Houston
- fivefive55 8y agoI live less than 10 minutes from the Google complex and google fiber isn't an option. It's really sad.
- glitch003 8y agoDunno where you are in the Bay Area, but in SF I have Sonic which is synchronous gigabit for ~$40 a month. It's not Google Fiber, but it's close.
- komali2 8y agoFor some reason they offering only 10Mbps in my building in downtown SF... compared to the 150 I get through Comcast. I hate their guts, but they do at least give me pretty darn fast internet.
- sebleon 8y agoCool initiative based on positive ideals. From a practical perspective, NYC citizens have a number of good options for internet access; however, perhaps learnings from this community project can be brought to more needy areas outside the US.
- newton10471 8y agoDo you live in NYC? I do, and I don't have at all what I'd call "a number of good options" for internet access. In my area, there's two companies who operate similar to a monopoly (Verizon and Optimum), and regularly raise prices arbitrarily and often for no reason.
- nategri 8y agoHaving two choices actually might put you well above average for the US. Back when I was in Mountain View, CA (a few miles from Google HQ) it was either Comcast or nothing and the irony was not lost on me.
- komali2 8y agoAT&T had an offering when I lived in Mountain View that was so comically terrible as to not realistically be an option at all.
- fivefive55 8y agoThis is still true as of last year. Comcast was the only viable option.
- sebleon 8y agoAh, I meant 'good' relative to options in the developing world. Getting +20Mb/s for under 0.1-5% of your annual income puts you way ahead of most people on Earth. But yes, I'm sure there's cities out there with more options than NYC.
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- Latteland 8y agoI love the idea but how do you connect to the greater internet? What will happen when you get a request to say what user was running on a certain day talking to whatever, or handle NSLs?
- LeoPanthera 8y agoFrom the article: "The network connects directly to the internet backbone, so we do not rely on an ISP." Their peering policy: https://nycmesh.net/peering/ https://nycmesh.net/peering/
- komali2 8y agoI don't understand what that means, "internet backbone?" Is that a physical location somewhere? I've read on the peering link, are they saying there's an "internet ethernet port" at 375 Pearl St, New York, NY that they plugged their whole mesh network into? Where's the ethernet cable go from there? I'm probably asking a bit too much here (how does internet work lol) but I don't understand how they've bypassed all ISPs... I just figured Comcast, being an ISP, also has a controlling stake in whatever means by which it gets data across the pacific ocean or whatever.
- LeoPanthera 8y agoThis Wikipedia article should answer these kind of basic questions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peering
- cortesoft 8y agoI work for a CDN, but am not a networking expert. I will try to answer as best I can: Yes, it is a physical location. Often called 'an exchange', there is usually a building in major cities that most networks connect together at. You rent from the building owner, and they provide a 'drop' which is basically a cable you can connect to your core router in your part of the datacenter you are renting (your 'rack' or 'cage') From that point, you set up BGP sessions with your 'peers', other networks you have agreements with. Sometimes those agreements are for 'transit' (which means you pay per bit sent across the wire, but you can send all your traffic that way) or they are peers you don't pay (you might have other agreements, like we only send this much traffic or that hte inbound and outbound traffic has to match) According to that peering link from the above poster, these guys will peer with anyone. They basically want as many peers as possible, and are hoping those peers agree to route as much of the internet as possible. The way BGP works is that each side of the BGP session tells the other 'i will accept and route traffic for these subnets', for example "i will accept packets destined to any IP address in the 1.2.3.240/24 space" The /24 is what is known as a CIDR, and is a way of writing "all the ips between 1.2.3.0 and 1.2.3.255", 256 IP addresses. So if the core router on my side gets a packet from my network destined to 1.2.3.123, I could send that packet on to the peer who is advertising that they will accept packets destined to 1.2.3.240/24. You need to have a peer for every IP address to be fully connected to the internet. If you don't, you would normally pay for transit, which will route for all IPs.
- blairanderson 8y agothis seems freaking rad.
- Endy 8y agoIs there any way to connect to this from the other side of the Hudson?
- toomuchtodo 8y agoPringles can.
- fosco 8y agonot sure why this was downvoted, a Cantenna [0] was originally created with a pringles can. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantenna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantenna
- nycmesh 8y agoWe have a #newjersey channel on our Slack. We need more people there to help organize
- mirimir 8y agoA Ubiquiti radio and parabolic dish don't cost all that much.
- flanban 8y agoparabolic wok-fi
- mightybyte 8y agoI was participating in NYC Mesh for awhile, but eventually I had to unplug because I got notices from my ISP about copyright infringement and I didn't want my internet access to get shut off. So sad. I really want this effort to succeed.
- aesh2Xa1 8y agoWere you peering? I'm under the impression that they would not use an ISP connection for individuals. Thus, you would have no ISP account on which to receive copyright infringement notices.
- ATsch 8y agoFreifunk, a somewhat similar German project solves this by using a mesh VPN to tunnel traffic out.
- benwilber0 8y agowhy would i go through all this effort just to let some stranger torrent iron man on my internet account
- TaylorAlexander 8y agoCollective action can give all of us, including ourselves, more freedom. This isn’t about torrents, it’s about the freedom to use the internet without surveillance and monitoring of our every move.
- nerdponx 8y agoI've been wanting to get involved in this kind of thing for a while now. Shame they use Slack, and not an open platform like Matrix or IRC, though!
- fosco 8y agoI do not like slack either. that being said, get involved and get them in Matrix or IRC, not too difficult to enact change I think people could get in on it with appropriate leadership! zulip looks interesting to me as well.
- nerdponx 8y agoI have repeatedly offered to pay for hosting a standalone Matrix server for the Julia community, and so far been ignored. Seems like people just don't care. I think the best I can do at this point is set up my own server running Matrix (or Zulip, which I haven't really explored) and host my own bridge to ease the transition. It's the classic problem where, now that I actually have money to spend, I don't have free time or infinite energy for side-projects anymore.
- cddotdotslash 8y agoAs much as you're trying to help, the truth is, small projects don't have the resources to do stuff like this. Now they have to devote time (probably someone's limited after work time) to bringing you onboard, getting you setup, etc. Then, you set everything up and let's say you disappear. Now they have this custom setup that only one person knows how to operate. At the end of the day, Slack works. They're already using it. No one has to get trained on new software. You don't need new accounts and passwords and admins and teams. The list goes on. This is a big issue with small projects - everyone wants to join and change some thing that's not part of the core mission.
- Famicoman 8y agoThey used to run a Matrix bridge, but from my understanding the administrators had no interest in maintaining it.
- m1573rp34130dy 8y agoA big problem with meshnet sofar is that it goes against the status quo, and it cut out the moneymakers and regulators, thus mesh nets have segment distances limited to ethernet and repeaters as well as where does physical infrastructure live? utility poles are owned by someone other than common people, and a trench transect for fibre is limited by property concerns...we need to develop a method of long hauling signals that wont be interfered with and will not interfere physically with anyone else...optical linkage works and has no palpable medium to be destroyed by hostile action. The bandwidth of a line of sight laser is very high, so high that it doesnt need to operate 24-7-364.25 of the year...if two or more LOS linked supernodes cache each other you win...if something gets in the way, point your LOS to a different LOS caching peer...
- nerdponx 8y agoHow robust is something like a laser in the face of weather interference, like rain or urban smog/haze?
- ATsch 8y agoNot very. In the (admittedly old) setup I've seen, the total speed would drop to 100s of kb/s when there was any fog.
- m1573rp34130dy 8y agoits better to have it 50% of the time than 0% of the time... radio waves dont do well in fog either... how would you run ethernet at a distance greater than 500 feet?
- ATsch 8y agoRadio is much less susceptible to fog than light because of the lower frequency. Usually, at any large distances, you'd try to use fibre optic cables if at all possible.
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- leotravis10 8y agoCBC has a very good piece on NYC Mesh: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/wifi-nyc-mesh-new-york-city-1.4617106 http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/wifi-nyc-mesh-new-york-cit... Also André Staltz's TEDx Talk that mentions it: https://youtu.be/UjfWAbGfPh0 https://youtu.be/UjfWAbGfPh0 I really do hope this succeeds and takes off amid the likely scenario that SCOTUS will eventually kill Net Neutrality for good in the next two years. Things like this are the way to go if we want a bit more freedom in terms of surfing the web.
- ChristianBundy 8y agoYou may enjoy: https://staltz.com/a-plan-to-rescue-the-web-from-the-internet.html https://staltz.com/a-plan-to-rescue-the-web-from-the-interne... Also, if you're curious about what that looks like today: https://scuttlebutt.nz https://scuttlebutt.nz
- joshuamcginnis 8y agoThere's a similar effort gaining traction in the Los Angeles area: https://www.communitybroadband.la/ https://www.communitybroadband.la/ I've also noticed that local municipalities are getting into the ISP business. Beverly Hills, for example, is currently deploying a city-owned/operated fiber-backed ISP: http://www.beverlyhills.org/fiber http://www.beverlyhills.org/fiber
- fixthenet 8y agoJosh from the Community Broadband Project here. Would be happy to answer any questions about our mission and progress in LA. I'm no regular, but we just got a bunch of traffic from Hacker News and I'm here to spread the gospel. NYC Mesh is doing very cool stuff--we wish them the best. We're in touch with a few other community ISPs who are growing organically in competition against big incumbent ISPs. It's inspiring. Beverly Hills, West Hollywood, and Culver City are all constructing municipal fiber right now. In the case of at least WeHo and Culver, it's aimed primarily at businesses. Some residents may see fiber offered by the incumbents, but we did some math of those offerings and it was $133/mo for 1Gbps. It'd be more helpful for the community if reasonable speeds were more affordable and available, than only some wealthy neighborhoods getting fiber.
- teleclimber 8y agoHi, is your product based on the Necto offering? https://apply.nectolab.io https://apply.nectolab.io
- fixthenet 8y agoNo, but Necto looks like a very interesting way to make ISPs more approachable for a community. That's one of our own goals, but in our case we're doing everything in house, which makes the most sense given our expertise.
- debaserab2 8y agoYou might be the totally wrong person to ask this and I apologize if this is a naive question. Is there a way a lay person (non network-engineer) can somehow get involved with their community to help get this started? I'd love to see something like this get started where I live (Minneapolis) and would be willing to help in any capacity I could.
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- dboreham 8y agoI think we had this before a few months ago. It is no different than any other regional transit provider (in the case of their fiber loop) or wireless ISP. You still have to pay for decent peering and you still have to deal with the laws of physics and claude shannon when deploying wireless networks.
- amazon_not 8y agoI recall the NYCmesh people having free bandwidth from an employer or sponsor. That obviously helps. Not exactly scalable or replicable tho.
- _m_a_t_t_ 8y agoThere was a donation of bandwidth for supernode 1, but the cost of that bandwidth is insignificant relative to other costs. The current model is scalable. Supernode 3 is launching in the next week or so and Supernode 4 will be following it soon.
- amazon_not 8y agoHow are you covering costs?
- detaro 8y agopreviously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16978544 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16978544 (230 comments)
- ctime 8y agoThe bay area seems to have one such Mesh network, in Oakland: https://peoplesopen.net/ https://peoplesopen.net/ It would be great to see something like this on the Peninsula
- skip_region 8y agoSo I have been toying with spooling one of these up for the past 6 months. I live too far uptown to get line of sight for their supernode, but I do have not 1, but three LinkNYC kiosks on my corner that offer gigabit for free. Wanted to test out using their LinkNYC option. Was going to use wireguard as a vpn backend on a router. The only downside for me is that I need to "re-log in" to google once a month. The wife would not be amused. Plus, we are currently paying for 200/20 for about $45 from spectrum.
- elahd 8y agoThe re-logging in problem can be solved via script. Check for the captive portal login page. If present, simulate clicking the log in button.
- bogomipz 8y agoDoes anyone know who NYCMesh peers with? From their FAQ: "Are you an Internet Service Provider (ISP)? No, we are not an ISP, we are a community that shares ownership of a network. Collectively we have our own internet connection at our “supernode”. Also some of our members share their own internet connections. Our network peers with other networks at an internet exchange point and provides access to the internet without traditional ISPs. We are a non-profit project of the New York chapter of the Internet Society (ISOC-NY)."
- sethhochberg 8y agoThey publish their peering details and AS here: https://nycmesh.net/peering/ https://nycmesh.net/peering/
- bogomipz 8y agoThanks. It's still not clear to me how MYCMesh users would be able to reach the internet. They state in their FAQ they are not an ISP which leaves me to believe they don't buy transit from anyone. But looking at that peering link there are only 122K prefixes being advertised at DE-CIX NY and NYCMesh only peering with 14 other ASes there. That would leave large parts of the internet unreachable. Perhaps Hurricane Electric or one their other 14 peers at DE-CIX NY have agreed to be act as transit AS for NYCMesh?
- hyperpallium 8y agoWhat about a mesh that is not connected to the internet? These days, people use the internet like TV or radio: many consume, few produce. What about a "community" mesh, where e.g. a small town has websites, email, webservices, gaming hosts etc for shops, businesses, sporting, clubs, council, local news and social media for that town?
- zamadatix 8y agoFor the same reason communities don't build a second road system not connected to the main road system. Why would I want to build a system that makes it so I can't check websites, email, webservices, gaming hosts, businesses, clubs, council, local news, and social media just because I'm in the next town over during work? Also if you really wanted to only have services available locally why not just do that via access control policy instead of building a second infrastructure?
- superkuh 8y agoThat place still exists on the internet. The 90s are alive on Tor.
- fosco 8y agocan you elaborate on this? would love to explore, but where exactly to start?
- int_19h 8y agoCheck out Broadband-HamNet.
- iak8god 8y agohttps://disaster.radio https://disaster.radio is a neat little project that might be helpful for building something like this.
- sandworm101 8y ago>>> a small town has websites, email, webservices, gaming hosts etc for shops, businesses, sporting, clubs, council, local news and social media for that town? Facebook.
- Sir_Cmpwn 8y agoAre the organizers in this thread? I wonder if you folks were aware of cjdns, and if so why the decision not to use it? I've been thinking about setting up a cjdns-based mesh network in Philly but I don't think I have line-of-sight to any geeks.
- jedahan 8y agoEarly (~3 years ago) NYCMesh used cjdns. I am not 100% sure of the reasons, but I think at the time cjdns had bad performance and was much harder to setup. I personally tried out cjdns recently and was pleasantly surprised with the ease of setup, though I still think hyperborea is having scaling issues and Guifi (the largest mesh) doesn't use it. There is nothing stopping anyone on NYC Mesh to use cjdns, and some of us do run it for certain services.
- Famicoman 8y agoCjdns’ crypto is a known cpu bottleneck, meaning it isn’t well suited for soho routers. Some of us mesh folks are squeezing power out of SBCs with great results, but cjdns’ roadmap might have us seeing more performant operation coming up :)
- jamesblonde 8y agoWhat gives - this is the only mention of Guifi.net on this thread - and Guifi is the world's largest Mesh, by an order of magnitude! 56k+ nodes operational in Catalunya!
- Famicoman 8y agoHi, I run Philly Mesh. You might be close to some other geeks, but if not you can always use cjdns' overlay ability :). Come chat if you’d like, https://phillymesh.net https://phillymesh.net
- Sir_Cmpwn 8y agoNice! I joined the #phillymesh channel earlier but it seems to be +m.
- fiatjaf 8y agoHave you seen https://altheamesh.com/ https://altheamesh.com/?
- PascLeRasc 8y agoI have a few naïve questions maybe someone can answer: 1 - Why aren't they recommending any of the newer routers like the Asus RT-N66U/RT-AC68U? They're well supported by OpenWRT and more available. 2 - To start a similar service in another city, do you need fiber already to be laid? For example, I'm in Pittsburgh and we don't have any fiber anywhere, does that mean it'd be impossible to have a community mesh like this here? 3 - Is there a way to find the "internet backbone" building in your city?
- sethhochberg 8y ago1 - don't have a good answer here 2 - a service like this doesn't rely on much fiber at all, outside of the point(s) where the mesh connects to the rest of the internet. Its almost all point-to-point wireless, with the points eventually converging back on the base stations at datacenters. 3 - the common term for this kind of facility is a "carrier hotel" or "ix" (like internet exchange). A carrier hotel is usually a dedicated-purpose facility where lots of different providers connect their networks together specifically for that purpose, but, hypothetically even a reasonably well-connected commercial datacenter will have at least a couple of carrier connections on site who could be used to create a mesh network base.
- LORD_GARTH 8y agoregarding point 1- im going to speculate that they are recommending hardware they are familiar with and know will work. the asus you are talking about looks like a smart router and might need to have a workaround to play well with others. ive had the hardest time trying to do anything technical with smart routers without just installing something like WRT and forgetting about the smart router stuff. im not sure about this one but it might pull a linksys and store your configuration data somewhere offsite, that would be an issue for me if thats the case as i value my privacy and local control of my hardware. if you feel comfortable working your router configuration it wouldnt hurt to try it
- drewmol 8y agoI'll take a stab... 1. They are likely using point-to-point/point-to-multi-point directional wireless equipment, designed for longer distance high bandwidth wireless connections where you know the fixed location of the transmitters/receivers and can tune/optimize for that purpose. Those devices you mentioned have hardware designed for omnidirectional local WiFi (broadcast & receive everywhere within x,00 feet). You could have one of those in you're home to provide wifi, and a point to point (with a directional antenna device designed for building-to-building/house-to-house connections) on you're roof to connect to the mesh network. Think of it as a mini satellite dish, pointed to the location from which the signal is being transmitted. Also, using standardized equiptment is more practical to efficiently deploy monitor and manager for a project like this. 2. No. The fiber will be there eventually, and wireless bandwidth is by far slowest link in the chain (the theoretical max speed of 802.11ac is eight 160MHz 256-QAM channels, each of which are capable of 866.7Mbps). Cat6 ethernet cable consisting of 8 conducting wires is capable of providing 10,000Mbps (10-Gigabit) maximum data rate, up to ~100m between powered devices. There are several types of fiber, OM4 is capable of 100,000Mbps over distances up to 150m. These are theoretical speeds, IRL divide by 2 twice and that's a good bencmark target (by 5 for WiFi ;-). 3. Internet Exchange Point https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_exchange_point https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_exchange_point Usually you're looking for 'co-los' (co-locations), buildings that host multi-company/parties server and network equipment and have high bandwidth connections to internet backbone provider networks.
- bikamonki 8y ago"The network connects directly to the internet backbone, so we do not rely on an ISP." How does it work? Can anyone connect directly to the Internet backbone?
- amazon_not 8y agoAnybody with enough money can connect to one or more IP transit providers ("the Internet backbone"). It will usually set you back a few thousand dollars per month.
- _m_a_t_t_ 8y agoI think that is just meant to be an approachable way of saying that NYC Mesh peers on public internet exchanges https://nycmesh.net/peering/ https://nycmesh.net/peering/
- grahamburger 8y agoI run a website about starting and running small wireless ISPs here: https://startyourownisp.com https://startyourownisp.com We also have a matrix chat room here: https://riot.im/app/#/room/#startyourownisp:matrix.org https://riot.im/app/#/room/#startyourownisp:matrix.org Don't want to detract from NYC Mesh or the conversation at all just thought this could be interesting for some of the folks on the thread.
- vvpan 8y agoI have contemplated doing this for many years. I probably won't, but I am really excited about learning. Thanks!
- IntelMiner 8y agoI looked heavily into doing this about 8 years ago in a rural town in Australia Sadly the "National Broadband Network" would've rendered it obsolete by now
- TDL 8y agoThanks for this, we are deploying our WISP in the next month or two.
- Osmanthus 8y agoIsn't wi-fi really bad at handling mutiple users? Can't the how bad the latency will be.
- gobengo 8y agoCome by Sudo Mesh meetings at Omni Commons in Oakland on Tuesdays at 730 for https://peoplesopen.net/ https://peoplesopen.net/ Or keep an eye on major repos like the firmware: https://github.com/sudomesh/sudowrt-firmware https://github.com/sudomesh/sudowrt-firmware There are many places to help. Yes, writing code, but also hands-on stuff like mounting radios on peoples' roofs, grant writing, documentation, etc. Even things like establishing consistency across projects: https://github.com/sudomesh/bugs/issues/34 https://github.com/sudomesh/bugs/issues/34 I've really enjoyed it so far this year as a way of practicing software production skills with other community members and non just inside the context of a for-profit startup. A lot of pieces are far enough it would also make sense to set up meetups and meshes in SF and Peninsula as well. Tuesdays. 730pm. Omni Common near Macarthur BART stop in Oakland. Come help!
- scottedtech 8y agoHere's another project: https://www.rightmesh.io/how-it-works https://www.rightmesh.io/how-it-works
- toofy 8y agoWith all due respect to this project, I’m sure it has a lot of great potential, however: > Our patent pending switching technology ensures data integrity. I personally have little interest in trading one network which is controlled by a few people for another which will just be controlled by different set of a few people. Even if it is powered by trendy blockchain or whatever. I am incredibly excited by some of the meshnet work we are seeing, but any of these which are just seeking to position themselves as power brokers on our future communication systems really need to be left on the wayside. We’ve already seen firsthand what happened when our first iteration was turned into a glorified shopping mall. I’d prefer that we avoid this fate with the second iteration.
- miguelrochefort 8y agoDoes it comply with Net Neutrality?
- presscast 8y agoAre there any similar initiatives in London? Failing that, any Londoners who are interested in starting something like this?
- Rjevski 8y agoNot that I know of, and I don't see a major business-case for it. The UK ISP market is much better than its US counterpart (we have no Comcast, for starters) so I'm not sure there would be enough demand for a wireless ISP. But if you have any ideas on how to make this profitable, I'm up for it. Email in my profile.
- minkiu 8y agoCorrect me if I'm wrong, but ain't Relish (https://www1.relish.net/ https://www1.relish.net/) a WISP? If you guys gather around to chat let me know, I might be interested in participating as well.
- Rjevski 8y agoThey use LTE which doesn't really scale well and their reviews have been less than stellar.
- ausjke 8y agocity-mesh movement started about 10 years ago, meraki etc are "hot" then, it never went away and stayed relevant, but not as trendy as it used to be. libremesh is based off openwrt, it needs a web-based dashboard, the firmware seems solid, very interesting.
- neuromantik8086 8y agoMeh. I put more faith in our corporate overlords developing decent wireless internet service via 5G over NYC Mesh really taking off.