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>The compelling reasons 'patio11 offered were that it will cost a lot of money and years of opportunity cost. Your return on investment on a Masters CS degree

by ccajas 8y ago

>The compelling reasons 'patio11 offered were that it will cost a lot of money and years of opportunity cost. Your return on investment on a Masters CS degree will come over time. For example, once you finish the degree, you should be in a better negotiating position in your current company when discussing promotions as you have demonstrated a willingness to follow through with personal development in service of the company. If you lose your current job, having a CS degree is great future risk mitigation. While a portfolio and experience sounds good enough, you'd have to jump more hoops through HR without a CS degree. But once you have it you could get a job almost anywhere you want. >FWIW, 'patio11 has some high quality experience with the engineering hiring market and has written some seminal texts about it. This is important to know. However, I think it would be better of patio11 to open his comment by stating a short summary of this experience in order to lend more credence to his suggestions. >there may be soft skills that you may not have yet and may never acquire I'm curious about this. Especially on the "may never acquire" part. You mean that there are some soft skills that some people would never attain? That's interesting to me and I'd like to know why.

csa 8y ago
A few responses: 1. “Your return on investment on a Masters CS degree will come over time.” It might produce a positive ROI over time. It really depends on what you do, what you intend to do, and what you value. 2. Re: negotiation. Check out ‘patio11’s seminal text on this subject (other good articles on there as well): https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ 3. Re: risk mitigation. A robust professional network is almost always more valuable and more resilient than a MS CS. I actually think that this is OP’s biggest opportunity/challenge. 4. Re: Summary of experience. I looked at your profile, and it seems like you’re relatively new here. ‘patio11 is one of HN’s most prolific posters. His posts have declined dramatically in frequency (due to work?) over the past year or so, but he is one of the grand hommes of HN. Check out this link: https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders. ‘patio11 is third, and that’s with a year plus of minimal commenting. Note that I have a very large scrapbook of smart things he has said in HN comments. 5. Remember that leader list, check out #1. ‘tptacek and ‘patio11 actually started a business together focused on the hiring of software engineers. It shut down for reasons unknown, but HN was (largely) rooting for them. It is still not entirely clear why they shut it down other than “hiring is broken” (i.e., employers claiming they want $TRAIT, but demure when a candidate with $TRAIT is presented to them, usually for something nebulous like an undeclared standard for culture fit). Anyway, both of these folks have a great deal of direct and indirect industry experience, and they have a habit of saying very smart things on a regular basis. 6. Re: soft skill limits. Short answer, cognitive biases. Slightly longer answer, first the problem needs to be acknowledged, and then — maybe — it can be solved. There are myriad psychological reasons (e.g, cognitive biases, mental disorders, etc.) for breakdown to happen at any step of this process. Is it possible to attain almost any soft skil, sure. Is it probable? Not for some people.
- amazonavocado 8y ago
  >A robust professional network is almost always more valuable and more resilient than a MS CS. I actually think that this is OP’s biggest opportunity/challenge. You are actually right about that. I do not have a robust network. It could be a negative, but I also learn that you don't have to allow negative traits to define you, or your worth. I have learned this from someone else who works as a software professional, who is bipolar and depressed. He also works at a fortune 500 making 6 figures, and takes on leadership responsibilities. He says that he hates himself, but loves his wife, and that despite being antisocial, it doesn't have to dominate him. He also says his personality and social network does not affect his ability to work, and he works hard for his team. If he can do it despite his shortcomings, so can I. Dwelling on your negative qualities are a distraction, and incorrectly convinces you that your negatives have to commandeer your self-worth. I will need to follow in this guy's footsteps. Forget about my lack of a network as something that defines me. I have to play to my strengths, and downplay my weaknesses.

by ccajas 8y ago

csa 8y ago

A few responses: 1. “Your return on investment on a Masters CS degree will come over time.” It might produce a positive ROI over time. It really depends on what you do, what you intend to do, and what you value. 2. Re: negotiation. Check out ‘patio11’s seminal text on this subject (other good articles on there as well): https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ https://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ 3. Re: risk mitigation. A robust professional network is almost always more valuable and more resilient than a MS CS. I actually think that this is OP’s biggest opportunity/challenge. 4. Re: Summary of experience. I looked at your profile, and it seems like you’re relatively new here. ‘patio11 is one of HN’s most prolific posters. His posts have declined dramatically in frequency (due to work?) over the past year or so, but he is one of the grand hommes of HN. Check out this link: https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders. ‘patio11 is third, and that’s with a year plus of minimal commenting. Note that I have a very large scrapbook of smart things he has said in HN comments. 5. Remember that leader list, check out #1. ‘tptacek and ‘patio11 actually started a business together focused on the hiring of software engineers. It shut down for reasons unknown, but HN was (largely) rooting for them. It is still not entirely clear why they shut it down other than “hiring is broken” (i.e., employers claiming they want $TRAIT, but demure when a candidate with $TRAIT is presented to them, usually for something nebulous like an undeclared standard for culture fit). Anyway, both of these folks have a great deal of direct and indirect industry experience, and they have a habit of saying very smart things on a regular basis. 6. Re: soft skill limits. Short answer, cognitive biases. Slightly longer answer, first the problem needs to be acknowledged, and then — maybe — it can be solved. There are myriad psychological reasons (e.g, cognitive biases, mental disorders, etc.) for breakdown to happen at any step of this process. Is it possible to attain almost any soft skil, sure. Is it probable? Not for some people.

amazonavocado 8y ago
>A robust professional network is almost always more valuable and more resilient than a MS CS. I actually think that this is OP’s biggest opportunity/challenge. You are actually right about that. I do not have a robust network. It could be a negative, but I also learn that you don't have to allow negative traits to define you, or your worth. I have learned this from someone else who works as a software professional, who is bipolar and depressed. He also works at a fortune 500 making 6 figures, and takes on leadership responsibilities. He says that he hates himself, but loves his wife, and that despite being antisocial, it doesn't have to dominate him. He also says his personality and social network does not affect his ability to work, and he works hard for his team. If he can do it despite his shortcomings, so can I. Dwelling on your negative qualities are a distraction, and incorrectly convinces you that your negatives have to commandeer your self-worth. I will need to follow in this guy's footsteps. Forget about my lack of a network as something that defines me. I have to play to my strengths, and downplay my weaknesses.