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I had a Cat Genie and ended up throwing it in the trash. The DRM was annoying but it was the least of the problems with this device. The biggest problem is that

I had a Cat Genie and ended up throwing it in the trash. The DRM was annoying but it was the least of the problems with this device. The biggest problem is that the scooper doesn't always remove all the feces from the litter, and then when the heated air starts blowing on the litter to dry it, a very impressive smell fills your house. You haven't lived until you've smelled baking cat shit wafting through every room of your house. The machine has lots of other problems (sensors that require frequent manual intervention to clean, etc). The bottom line is that this device removes an everyday quick chore that's slightly unpleasant but replaces it with 30 minutes of sheer unadulterated horror at least once a week. I've tried all the other robotic litter boxes too, and they all suck. I clean cat boxes by hand now. The robots are not yet up to this task.

luma 8y ago
This mirrors our own experience with the Cat Genie. When it works it's great, when it fails you are elbow deep into liquified cat shit. There has to a be lesson here: when making a device that solves a problem, make sure that the failure mode isn't worse than the problem you're looking to solve.
- Chris_Chambers 8y ago
  Why make the product actually work correctly when that would require more time and money? People will buy the product anyway.
dh-g 8y ago
Author here: I've actually had good luck with my unit. I have two cats and run the unit two times a day. I haven't had to do any maintenance except cleaning the water sensor once. I do use safflower seeds in place of the plastic pellets which I have found to yield better results.
- Aloha 8y ago
  I think whether the cat genie works for you or not depends on if your cats primarily eat wet food or dry food. The more liquid in their excretions, the less likely I suspect it is to work properly.
  - dh-g 8y ago
    I'm sure diet is a significant factor but in my case my cats do eat wet food.
rrrx3 8y ago
> You haven't lived until you've smelled baking cat shit wafting through every room of your house. Oh my. Noooooo thank you.
mmt 8y ago
> I've tried all the other robotic litter boxes too, and they all suck. I wonder if there's something about your cats' diet that renders their excretions too incompatible with what the robots are designed for. When we switched from commercial food to the homemade recipe on catinfo.org, the feces of all three cats in my home went from being the stereotypical, wet, stinky kind, to being dry and nearly odorless. (In addition to other visible and invisible health benefits). Although the robots we use [1] handled the wet feces OK enough, the new feces ended up consuming less litter (i.e. approximately zero, with only urine consuming any) thereby slightly reducing the frequency of waste drawer filling up, requiring less frequent full emptying/cleaning of the robot itself, and never requiring an emptying of the waste drawer due to odor (rather than filled capacity). [1] Litter-Robot IIs and one LR III. I'm less of a fan of the III, as it has a smaller effective waste drawer capacity before complaining of fullness and takes up significantly more space, meaning there are fewer locations it can go in. Considering how big the LR-II is to begin with, that's a problem.
- tjr225 8y ago
  Is this facetious Even if it's not, this > I wonder if there's something about your cats' diet that renders their excretions too incompatible with what the robots are designed for. Is strangely funny and backwards, in my opinion
  - mmt 8y ago
    > Is this facetious It is not. > backwards, in my opinion What would be the forwards way to express the same concept?
    - tjr225 8y ago
      The same way the gp expressed it, that the robot was bad at dealing with the cats excretions. Do you not see the cold irony in expecting the cat to poop in a way the robot can handle?
      - mmt 8y ago
sleepybrett 8y ago
I no longer have a cat but when I did I had a pretty snazzy litter box that had a roof, when you wanted to clean it you rolled it onto it's roof and back and all the clumps ended up in a little removable drawer.
- mmt 8y ago
  I think "Omega" is a current brand of one of these. The Litter Robot is essentially an automated/motorized version of this. Interestingly, according to a friend of mine who ran experiments with his cats, the robot version was noticeably more efficient in terms of litter consumed (and this prompted him to replace the manual versions with the robots on a faster schedule, since clumping litter is a non-zero expense).
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    > (and this prompted him to replace the manual versions with the robots on a faster schedule, since clumping litter is a non-zero expense) Interesting. How expensive is cat litter where he lives? For me, it is indeed a non-zero expense, but also mostly unnoticeable one. Definitely not worth replacing with a robot that'll most likely take more than a year to pay itself back - and I don't expect this kind of tech to run continuously for a year without major, expensive breakage.
    - mmt 8y ago
      > How expensive is cat litter where he lives? It's the US, so about $10 for 35lbs of "Litter Purrfect" from Costco. Around 20lbs/month/cat was his pre-robot, usage, IIRC, and he had multiple cats. > For me, it is indeed a non-zero expense, but also mostly unnoticeable one. Every non-zero expense is noticeable to someone living frugally, since they can easily add up if left unnoticed. > Definitely not worth replacing with a robot that'll most likely take more than a year to pay itself back To be clear, he wasn't basing the purchase decision itself on the cost savings in litter, merely accelerating the timing of the purchases. He had already decided to "splurge" on replacing all the manual litterboxes with robots. > I don't expect this kind of tech to run continuously for a year without major, expensive breakage Most of the tech's actually remarkably simple (for the LR-II model, anyway), which means, in a way, it's overpriced, but the market bears it. The standard warranty is 18 months, and the extended warranty (another $50 or $100?) doubles that. Personally, I've had them last over 5 years, with the main failures being the electronics (cheap and easy to replace, unlike many other products), power supply wall wart (which I merely replace myself with a better one), and a metal spring for the "waste door" (not as easy, but the parts were free, and it's a very old-age failure).

luma 8y ago

This mirrors our own experience with the Cat Genie. When it works it's great, when it fails you are elbow deep into liquified cat shit. There has to a be lesson here: when making a device that solves a problem, make sure that the failure mode isn't worse than the problem you're looking to solve.

Chris_Chambers 8y ago
Why make the product actually work correctly when that would require more time and money? People will buy the product anyway.

dh-g 8y ago

Author here: I've actually had good luck with my unit. I have two cats and run the unit two times a day. I haven't had to do any maintenance except cleaning the water sensor once. I do use safflower seeds in place of the plastic pellets which I have found to yield better results.

Aloha 8y ago
I think whether the cat genie works for you or not depends on if your cats primarily eat wet food or dry food. The more liquid in their excretions, the less likely I suspect it is to work properly.
- dh-g 8y ago
  I'm sure diet is a significant factor but in my case my cats do eat wet food.

rrrx3 8y ago

> You haven't lived until you've smelled baking cat shit wafting through every room of your house. Oh my. Noooooo thank you.

mmt 8y ago

> I've tried all the other robotic litter boxes too, and they all suck. I wonder if there's something about your cats' diet that renders their excretions too incompatible with what the robots are designed for. When we switched from commercial food to the homemade recipe on catinfo.org, the feces of all three cats in my home went from being the stereotypical, wet, stinky kind, to being dry and nearly odorless. (In addition to other visible and invisible health benefits). Although the robots we use [1] handled the wet feces OK enough, the new feces ended up consuming less litter (i.e. approximately zero, with only urine consuming any) thereby slightly reducing the frequency of waste drawer filling up, requiring less frequent full emptying/cleaning of the robot itself, and never requiring an emptying of the waste drawer due to odor (rather than filled capacity). [1] Litter-Robot IIs and one LR III. I'm less of a fan of the III, as it has a smaller effective waste drawer capacity before complaining of fullness and takes up significantly more space, meaning there are fewer locations it can go in. Considering how big the LR-II is to begin with, that's a problem.

tjr225 8y ago
Is this facetious Even if it's not, this > I wonder if there's something about your cats' diet that renders their excretions too incompatible with what the robots are designed for. Is strangely funny and backwards, in my opinion
- mmt 8y ago
  > Is this facetious It is not. > backwards, in my opinion What would be the forwards way to express the same concept?
  - tjr225 8y ago
    The same way the gp expressed it, that the robot was bad at dealing with the cats excretions. Do you not see the cold irony in expecting the cat to poop in a way the robot can handle?
    - mmt 8y ago

sleepybrett 8y ago

I no longer have a cat but when I did I had a pretty snazzy litter box that had a roof, when you wanted to clean it you rolled it onto it's roof and back and all the clumps ended up in a little removable drawer.

mmt 8y ago
I think "Omega" is a current brand of one of these. The Litter Robot is essentially an automated/motorized version of this. Interestingly, according to a friend of mine who ran experiments with his cats, the robot version was noticeably more efficient in terms of litter consumed (and this prompted him to replace the manual versions with the robots on a faster schedule, since clumping litter is a non-zero expense).
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  > (and this prompted him to replace the manual versions with the robots on a faster schedule, since clumping litter is a non-zero expense) Interesting. How expensive is cat litter where he lives? For me, it is indeed a non-zero expense, but also mostly unnoticeable one. Definitely not worth replacing with a robot that'll most likely take more than a year to pay itself back - and I don't expect this kind of tech to run continuously for a year without major, expensive breakage.
  - mmt 8y ago
    > How expensive is cat litter where he lives? It's the US, so about $10 for 35lbs of "Litter Purrfect" from Costco. Around 20lbs/month/cat was his pre-robot, usage, IIRC, and he had multiple cats. > For me, it is indeed a non-zero expense, but also mostly unnoticeable one. Every non-zero expense is noticeable to someone living frugally, since they can easily add up if left unnoticed. > Definitely not worth replacing with a robot that'll most likely take more than a year to pay itself back To be clear, he wasn't basing the purchase decision itself on the cost savings in litter, merely accelerating the timing of the purchases. He had already decided to "splurge" on replacing all the manual litterboxes with robots. > I don't expect this kind of tech to run continuously for a year without major, expensive breakage Most of the tech's actually remarkably simple (for the LR-II model, anyway), which means, in a way, it's overpriced, but the market bears it. The standard warranty is 18 months, and the extended warranty (another $50 or $100?) doubles that. Personally, I've had them last over 5 years, with the main failures being the electronics (cheap and easy to replace, unlike many other products), power supply wall wart (which I merely replace myself with a better one), and a metal spring for the "waste door" (not as easy, but the parts were free, and it's a very old-age failure).