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Besides the denialism in the comment that the siblings mention, there's also the issue that ACs tend to get _overused_ a lot. Going from 35C & 100% humidity to

by ant6n 8y ago

Besides the denialism in the comment that the siblings mention, there's also the issue that ACs tend to get _overused_ a lot. Going from 35C & 100% humidity to 26C & 50% humidity is quite reasonable, going to 18C & 20% humidity is not. And there are a lot more low hanging fruits when it comes to conserving ernergy surrounding AC usage: bad insulation, stores keeping their doors open etc. etc.

jimmaswell 8y ago
If someone enjoys keeping their house cooler than absolutely necessary, long showers, driving instead of walking short distances, etc. then I don't feel like this is "overusing" or "wasting" anything - technology is supposed to make our lives better, and the solution should focus on working around these use cases existing instead of trying to alter people's behavior such that they're getting less personal value in their lives.
- ant6n 8y ago
  So I'm pointing out that AC gets overused a lot, and that there is a lot of unnecessary waste, and your response is that you don't view waste as waste as long as you "enjoy" it, and that's what technology is for? That strikes me as incredibly short-sighted. Global warming is a very big issue that is already making it more difficult for many people to enjoy their lives.
  - Bizarro 8y ago
    And what's your solution - not let people use AC in their houses as they see fit? Good luck with that. Even Californians balked on that idea.
    - ant6n 8y ago
      Indeed. There does seem to be a lot of people who take a lot of pride in unnecessary waste. Even among the supposedly smart people here, just the suggestion that we should reduce waste results in angry backlash.
      - Bizarro 8y ago
        And how do propose to enact and enforce that law when we don't want that? Do you think because someone writes something on a piece of paper that says you can only use so much AC that people are just going to say, "oh, ok..someone wrote something on a piece of paper...that's it". At some point you have to think about are the serious repercussions (most likely lots of violence) worth what I'm proposing.
        ant6n 8y ago
        I'm confused. Are you arguing against the idea that we should reduce waste by proposing a possible measure and then arguing against that same measure?

by ant6n 8y ago

jimmaswell 8y ago

If someone enjoys keeping their house cooler than absolutely necessary, long showers, driving instead of walking short distances, etc. then I don't feel like this is "overusing" or "wasting" anything - technology is supposed to make our lives better, and the solution should focus on working around these use cases existing instead of trying to alter people's behavior such that they're getting less personal value in their lives.

ant6n 8y ago
So I'm pointing out that AC gets overused a lot, and that there is a lot of unnecessary waste, and your response is that you don't view waste as waste as long as you "enjoy" it, and that's what technology is for? That strikes me as incredibly short-sighted. Global warming is a very big issue that is already making it more difficult for many people to enjoy their lives.
- Bizarro 8y ago
  And what's your solution - not let people use AC in their houses as they see fit? Good luck with that. Even Californians balked on that idea.
  - ant6n 8y ago
    Indeed. There does seem to be a lot of people who take a lot of pride in unnecessary waste. Even among the supposedly smart people here, just the suggestion that we should reduce waste results in angry backlash.
    - Bizarro 8y ago
      And how do propose to enact and enforce that law when we don't want that? Do you think because someone writes something on a piece of paper that says you can only use so much AC that people are just going to say, "oh, ok..someone wrote something on a piece of paper...that's it". At some point you have to think about are the serious repercussions (most likely lots of violence) worth what I'm proposing.
      - ant6n 8y ago
        I'm confused. Are you arguing against the idea that we should reduce waste by proposing a possible measure and then arguing against that same measure?