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Intel could bet on technologies that allow leverage their design-fab close relationships. Like integrating more non-CPU things into the CPU. FPGA, neural copro

by snaky 8y ago

Intel could bet on technologies that allow leverage their design-fab close relationships. Like integrating more non-CPU things into the CPU. FPGA, neural coprocessors, DSP, and stuff. FPGA is on the way, but while just couple together CPU and FPGA connecting them by QPI is great, but it's not the things I'm talking about. What we could wait from Intel is coprocessors real-time offloading, automagically done by (very sophisticated as on Intel x64) CPU control unit. Tight coupling might allow very fast (partial) reconfiguration of that FPGA-like coprocessors - and that's when you need your own fab to make that coupling really tight, and optimize everything down to the last bit.

guiriduro 8y ago
I've been wondering what Intel's moves will be now they own Altera (FPGA). Was tinkering with dev boards with Cyclone V FPGA with embedded ARM - but if Intel kills that then they lose me to Xilinx zynq, I'm not interested in the Intel ISA.
- snaky 8y ago
  Intel released Xeon Gold 6138P processor with a built-in Altera Arria 10 GX 1150 FPGA recently. Considering the all obstacles on the way to merge two big companies, that was almost fast.
  - guiriduro 8y ago
    It's good (and expected) that Intel merge their cores with Altera's FPGAs. My worry is that Intel will drop ARM (given the earlier StrongARM market exit) and leave the market that Altera created for FPGA-ARM SoCs. Of course, they can assuage that fear by making a concrete public commitment to a 5 year roadmap which includes ARM, for example. But in default of that, you have to wonder if investing in learning their tooling and ARM integration will be a waste of time. Which will be their loss, and Xilinx's gain.
    - snaky 8y ago
      > the market that Altera created for FPGA-ARM SoCs Wasn't it Actel with SmartFusion?
      - nerpderp83 8y ago
        ST Micro had a sorta-never-launched FPGA and Arm SoC called "Greenfield" that they announced back in 2005. https://www.st.com/resource/en/data_brief/CD00051559.pdf https://www.st.com/resource/en/data_brief/CD00051559.pdf https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1195750 https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1195750

by snaky 8y ago

guiriduro 8y ago

I've been wondering what Intel's moves will be now they own Altera (FPGA). Was tinkering with dev boards with Cyclone V FPGA with embedded ARM - but if Intel kills that then they lose me to Xilinx zynq, I'm not interested in the Intel ISA.

snaky 8y ago
Intel released Xeon Gold 6138P processor with a built-in Altera Arria 10 GX 1150 FPGA recently. Considering the all obstacles on the way to merge two big companies, that was almost fast.
- guiriduro 8y ago
  It's good (and expected) that Intel merge their cores with Altera's FPGAs. My worry is that Intel will drop ARM (given the earlier StrongARM market exit) and leave the market that Altera created for FPGA-ARM SoCs. Of course, they can assuage that fear by making a concrete public commitment to a 5 year roadmap which includes ARM, for example. But in default of that, you have to wonder if investing in learning their tooling and ARM integration will be a waste of time. Which will be their loss, and Xilinx's gain.
  - snaky 8y ago
    > the market that Altera created for FPGA-ARM SoCs Wasn't it Actel with SmartFusion?
    - nerpderp83 8y ago
      ST Micro had a sorta-never-launched FPGA and Arm SoC called "Greenfield" that they announced back in 2005. https://www.st.com/resource/en/data_brief/CD00051559.pdf https://www.st.com/resource/en/data_brief/CD00051559.pdf https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1195750 https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1195750