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> What do these people do all day, if not design and build software? Indeed this is a fascinating question, and I explored it a few times. Some folks who have

> What do these people do all day, if not design and build software? Indeed this is a fascinating question, and I explored it a few times. Some folks who have multiple years of "software engineering" on their resume worked in a place where they did some form of "paint by numbers" programming, producing some work by modifying templates with limited (at best) understanding beyond the specific blanks they were filling. An example is folks who work with large frameworks that are designed to be extended with little to no coding, such as WordPress and Drupal. Then they want to advance to software engineering, so they recast their experience - of essentially configuring and deploying software, i.e. sysadmin - as "programming", and get those 5 years represented as "a full time programming position". There's variants of that, basically "developers" doing very limited ant-work with large frameworks they don't understand and couldn't rewrite from scratch if their lives depended on it. There's also a bunch of languages and frameworks invented for the explicit purpose that someone with little to no CS knowledge of programming talent could produce useful work. Most of us here live in a bubble of startups where we often create products from scratch using lean (or no) frameworks. In reality, a scary amount of the "IT work" out there appears to be what I described above. Possibly a substantial majority.

Shaddox 8y ago
How do I stop being a bottom feeder?
- dunpeal 8y ago
  Cultivate programming as a skill. Pick up a good introductory programming book. I recommend Think Python 2e: http://greenteapress.com/wp/think-python-2e/ http://greenteapress.com/wp/think-python-2e/ Go through it cover to cover and do all the exercises. All of them. Don't skip a single page or exercise, not even if you think "I already know this", and certainly not because it's too tough. Once you're done, you should be able to start applying for jobs in whatever language that book taught you. If you're still not passing interviews, take on a serious - but manageable - programming project, such as some simple application for yourself or someone you know. If you're a web developer, a simple dynamic database-driven website is an excellent choice. If you want to do front-end, a simple Javascript game will teach you a lot. You don't always have to apply for new jobs so early. Lots of tech shops have some teams where actual programming happens, even if most of the rest of the company is "paint by numbers" pseudo-programming. Often you can start to take on more responsibilities that involve actual coding if you show the necessary abilities. You won't have to change companies, or even change teams. Good luck!

Shaddox 8y ago

How do I stop being a bottom feeder?

dunpeal 8y ago
Cultivate programming as a skill. Pick up a good introductory programming book. I recommend Think Python 2e: http://greenteapress.com/wp/think-python-2e/ http://greenteapress.com/wp/think-python-2e/ Go through it cover to cover and do all the exercises. All of them. Don't skip a single page or exercise, not even if you think "I already know this", and certainly not because it's too tough. Once you're done, you should be able to start applying for jobs in whatever language that book taught you. If you're still not passing interviews, take on a serious - but manageable - programming project, such as some simple application for yourself or someone you know. If you're a web developer, a simple dynamic database-driven website is an excellent choice. If you want to do front-end, a simple Javascript game will teach you a lot. You don't always have to apply for new jobs so early. Lots of tech shops have some teams where actual programming happens, even if most of the rest of the company is "paint by numbers" pseudo-programming. Often you can start to take on more responsibilities that involve actual coding if you show the necessary abilities. You won't have to change companies, or even change teams. Good luck!