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I know where you are coming from. I myself being from Mexico find the "political correctness" trend happening in the USA quite interesting. I used to work for

I know where you are coming from. I myself being from Mexico find the "political correctness" trend happening in the USA quite interesting. I used to work for a company that had HQ in California and offices down in Mexico. The head of HR was horrified when she visited the offices in Mexico and saw the interaction between colleagues... of particular interesting to her was that people were hugging each other!. She instructed our Country Manager to ask us not to hug each other. Of course everybody laughed when this was mentioned during an internal office meeting. It is the same problem as with the "Puto" chant of Mexicans during soccer games. Sure, literaly it is a homophogic connocation, but in practice it is used just to show animosity to the goalkeeper. It does not mean that 5000 people believe the male goalkeeper preffers to have sexual relationships with other men... they don't care.

locopati 8y ago
Another way of thinking about political correctness is respect for your fellow workers. When a too large percentage of women have encountered regular harassment or rape, having an office environment where that becomes a joke is insulting, disregarding, and painful. Why do that when it's just as easy to communicate without it?
chickenfries 8y ago
> Sure, literaly it is a homophogic connocation, but in practice it is used just to show animosity to the goalkeeper. It does not mean that 5000 people believe the male goalkeeper preffers to have sexual relationships with other men... they don't care. I don't understand how you can say that "puto" has a homophobic connotation but then say it's not homophobic. Your argument is the same as a child who thinks calling things they don't like "fucking gay" isn't really homophobic. Yes the thing they are calling "gay" may not have anything actually to do with homosexuality, but the practice of associating the word "gay" with negative things is homophobia.
- toast_coder 8y ago
  That poster literally contradicted himself in two sentences.
- poisonarena 8y ago
  "the practice of associating the word "gay" with negative things is homophobia." In the USA...
  - chipotle_coyote 8y ago
    Um, no. If I say "that movie is so gay" and you understand that as an insult, even a joking one, it's because you understand "gay" to be an insulting thing. That is homophobic. That's not a United States thing, it's a "this is literally how language works" thing.
    - poisonarena 8y ago
      Well I don't hate gay people, and I think it is fine to say it.. Marica, Maricon, lo que sea parx
      - 836363837473 8y ago
        http://latindispatch.com/2017/04/15/escaping-a-homophobic-war-in-colombia/ http://latindispatch.com/2017/04/15/escaping-a-homophobic-wa...
      - axlprose 8y ago
        La verdad es que no creo que valga la pena tratar de explicarle a gente de paises privilegiados como trabajan las culturas de nuestros paises mas pobres, hermano. Es algo que des-afortunadamente no se puede explicar, si no que se tiene que vivir. Cuando uno experiencia tantas realidades duras del mundo viviendo en un lugar tan pobre y corrupto, con opciones limitadas, rapidamente se da uno cuenta en lo que verdaderamente mas importa, y digan lo que digan, las opiniones de otras personas, lo mas maldito que sean, de verdad no son causa para molestarnos tanto. Mientras tu y tu familia esten bien, y nada te esta previniendo vivir tu vida, siempre podemos confiar que todo esta bien. Pero eso lo sabemos porque emos visto y sobrevivido situaciones mucho mas peores, y solo la experiencia puede dar ese punto de vista. Si alguien no a sabido como es tener problemas mas grandes que lo que otra personas piensan del, por supuesto que les va a costar imaginarse como le gente puede tolerar ciertas cosas, aunque para nosotros sean pequenas. Por supuesto que siempre van haber personas que tienen malas intenciones cuando dicen palabras como "maricon", pero la diferencia entre nosotros y los de paises mas estables, es que a ellos no les vale la intencion de uno, solo ven a las propias palabras como que si usar esas partes del lenguaje fuera pecado. Como que no tomaran en cuenta la realidad que el lenguaje y las definiciones de palabras son construidas por la gente que las usa, y que cambian todo el tiempo. He vivido en los estados por muchos anos ya, y todavia no entiendo por que la cultura es asi, pero ni modo, asi es la vida.
- tokyodude 8y ago
  maybe the meaning has changed? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_F_Word_(South_Park) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_F_Word_(South_Park)
  - chickenfries 8y ago
    I'm a little more sympathetic to this argument in other contexts, but gay still means gay, fag is still a word used to insult and demean non-heterosexual people.

locopati 8y ago

Another way of thinking about political correctness is respect for your fellow workers. When a too large percentage of women have encountered regular harassment or rape, having an office environment where that becomes a joke is insulting, disregarding, and painful. Why do that when it's just as easy to communicate without it?

chickenfries 8y ago

> Sure, literaly it is a homophogic connocation, but in practice it is used just to show animosity to the goalkeeper. It does not mean that 5000 people believe the male goalkeeper preffers to have sexual relationships with other men... they don't care. I don't understand how you can say that "puto" has a homophobic connotation but then say it's not homophobic. Your argument is the same as a child who thinks calling things they don't like "fucking gay" isn't really homophobic. Yes the thing they are calling "gay" may not have anything actually to do with homosexuality, but the practice of associating the word "gay" with negative things is homophobia.

toast_coder 8y ago
That poster literally contradicted himself in two sentences.
poisonarena 8y ago
"the practice of associating the word "gay" with negative things is homophobia." In the USA...
- chipotle_coyote 8y ago
  Um, no. If I say "that movie is so gay" and you understand that as an insult, even a joking one, it's because you understand "gay" to be an insulting thing. That is homophobic. That's not a United States thing, it's a "this is literally how language works" thing.
  - poisonarena 8y ago
    Well I don't hate gay people, and I think it is fine to say it.. Marica, Maricon, lo que sea parx
    - 836363837473 8y ago
      http://latindispatch.com/2017/04/15/escaping-a-homophobic-war-in-colombia/ http://latindispatch.com/2017/04/15/escaping-a-homophobic-wa...
    - axlprose 8y ago
      La verdad es que no creo que valga la pena tratar de explicarle a gente de paises privilegiados como trabajan las culturas de nuestros paises mas pobres, hermano. Es algo que des-afortunadamente no se puede explicar, si no que se tiene que vivir. Cuando uno experiencia tantas realidades duras del mundo viviendo en un lugar tan pobre y corrupto, con opciones limitadas, rapidamente se da uno cuenta en lo que verdaderamente mas importa, y digan lo que digan, las opiniones de otras personas, lo mas maldito que sean, de verdad no son causa para molestarnos tanto. Mientras tu y tu familia esten bien, y nada te esta previniendo vivir tu vida, siempre podemos confiar que todo esta bien. Pero eso lo sabemos porque emos visto y sobrevivido situaciones mucho mas peores, y solo la experiencia puede dar ese punto de vista. Si alguien no a sabido como es tener problemas mas grandes que lo que otra personas piensan del, por supuesto que les va a costar imaginarse como le gente puede tolerar ciertas cosas, aunque para nosotros sean pequenas. Por supuesto que siempre van haber personas que tienen malas intenciones cuando dicen palabras como "maricon", pero la diferencia entre nosotros y los de paises mas estables, es que a ellos no les vale la intencion de uno, solo ven a las propias palabras como que si usar esas partes del lenguaje fuera pecado. Como que no tomaran en cuenta la realidad que el lenguaje y las definiciones de palabras son construidas por la gente que las usa, y que cambian todo el tiempo. He vivido en los estados por muchos anos ya, y todavia no entiendo por que la cultura es asi, pero ni modo, asi es la vida.
tokyodude 8y ago
maybe the meaning has changed? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_F_Word_(South_Park) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_F_Word_(South_Park)
- chickenfries 8y ago
  I'm a little more sympathetic to this argument in other contexts, but gay still means gay, fag is still a word used to insult and demean non-heterosexual people.