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"So, when people would say things to the group like “the other team raped us because our mid kept jungling,” I would attempt to reflect back more appropriate la

"So, when people would say things to the group like “the other team raped us because our mid kept jungling,” I would attempt to reflect back more appropriate language by saying back to them “so you’re saying your team lost because you weren’t working together.” I can’t say that I think it had much impact, but I figured this was the long game, and slow and steady would win the race. Cultural change requires perseverance and consistency over a prolonged period of time, right?" As a Colombian guy, all these fuss over using certain words is really a problem when there are no other problems to be solved.. When you are are lucky to go to nice school, get paid lots of money, and work at a job in a really fun environment, and really, compared to our standards a perfect life, when you don't have problems, you create them.. If I tried to explain the type of problems this guy is having working at Riot Games to my friends or colleagues they would think it is absolutely ridiculous. Why would he work there if he was not expecting that? I have played LoL and this is how people being friendly talk to eachother, its not about hating women or something.. I wish I had problems like that.. You can't understand how hard it is for me to comprehend leaving a place of work that seems like heaven because some small language offends you..

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xtracto 8y ago
I know where you are coming from. I myself being from Mexico find the "political correctness" trend happening in the USA quite interesting. I used to work for a company that had HQ in California and offices down in Mexico. The head of HR was horrified when she visited the offices in Mexico and saw the interaction between colleagues... of particular interesting to her was that people were hugging each other!. She instructed our Country Manager to ask us not to hug each other. Of course everybody laughed when this was mentioned during an internal office meeting. It is the same problem as with the "Puto" chant of Mexicans during soccer games. Sure, literaly it is a homophogic connocation, but in practice it is used just to show animosity to the goalkeeper. It does not mean that 5000 people believe the male goalkeeper preffers to have sexual relationships with other men... they don't care.
- locopati 8y ago
  Another way of thinking about political correctness is respect for your fellow workers. When a too large percentage of women have encountered regular harassment or rape, having an office environment where that becomes a joke is insulting, disregarding, and painful. Why do that when it's just as easy to communicate without it?
- chickenfries 8y ago
  > Sure, literaly it is a homophogic connocation, but in practice it is used just to show animosity to the goalkeeper. It does not mean that 5000 people believe the male goalkeeper preffers to have sexual relationships with other men... they don't care. I don't understand how you can say that "puto" has a homophobic connotation but then say it's not homophobic. Your argument is the same as a child who thinks calling things they don't like "fucking gay" isn't really homophobic. Yes the thing they are calling "gay" may not have anything actually to do with homosexuality, but the practice of associating the word "gay" with negative things is homophobia.
  - toast_coder 8y ago
    That poster literally contradicted himself in two sentences.
  - poisonarena 8y ago
    "the practice of associating the word "gay" with negative things is homophobia." In the USA...
    - chipotle_coyote 8y ago
      Um, no. If I say "that movie is so gay" and you understand that as an insult, even a joking one, it's because you understand "gay" to be an insulting thing. That is homophobic. That's not a United States thing, it's a "this is literally how language works" thing.
      - poisonarena 8y ago
InclinedPlane 8y ago
Would you say the same thing if it were the N-word? Of course not. Because you have misogynistic biases that make you more accepting of rape jokes. That doesn't mean rape jokes are better, it just means they are more tolerated.
- poisonarena 8y ago
  apples and oranges, there is no 'N-word' in Mexico or Colombia.. I remember when H+M had that fiasco when they had a black kids wearing a shirt that said something about being a monkey.. here in Colombia 'mono' or monkey is what you call white people.. And if I see a black man dropping his wallet in the street, nobody would think it is strange if I yelled at him and said "Hey BLACK MAN, you dropped your wallet!"
  - 836363837473 8y ago
    How about maricón?
thereare5lights 8y ago
Go live in a place where you are a minority that is treated like a joke so you can experience it firsthand and you will understand very quickly.
foozed 8y ago
"when you don't have problems, you create them" - no. Just because there aren't any of the problems you mentioned, does not mean that this isn't a problem. Should we just stop caring about anything that is wrong so long as there are things that are more wrong?

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xtracto 8y ago

I know where you are coming from. I myself being from Mexico find the "political correctness" trend happening in the USA quite interesting. I used to work for a company that had HQ in California and offices down in Mexico. The head of HR was horrified when she visited the offices in Mexico and saw the interaction between colleagues... of particular interesting to her was that people were hugging each other!. She instructed our Country Manager to ask us not to hug each other. Of course everybody laughed when this was mentioned during an internal office meeting. It is the same problem as with the "Puto" chant of Mexicans during soccer games. Sure, literaly it is a homophogic connocation, but in practice it is used just to show animosity to the goalkeeper. It does not mean that 5000 people believe the male goalkeeper preffers to have sexual relationships with other men... they don't care.

locopati 8y ago
Another way of thinking about political correctness is respect for your fellow workers. When a too large percentage of women have encountered regular harassment or rape, having an office environment where that becomes a joke is insulting, disregarding, and painful. Why do that when it's just as easy to communicate without it?
chickenfries 8y ago
> Sure, literaly it is a homophogic connocation, but in practice it is used just to show animosity to the goalkeeper. It does not mean that 5000 people believe the male goalkeeper preffers to have sexual relationships with other men... they don't care. I don't understand how you can say that "puto" has a homophobic connotation but then say it's not homophobic. Your argument is the same as a child who thinks calling things they don't like "fucking gay" isn't really homophobic. Yes the thing they are calling "gay" may not have anything actually to do with homosexuality, but the practice of associating the word "gay" with negative things is homophobia.
- toast_coder 8y ago
  That poster literally contradicted himself in two sentences.
- poisonarena 8y ago
  "the practice of associating the word "gay" with negative things is homophobia." In the USA...
  - chipotle_coyote 8y ago
    Um, no. If I say "that movie is so gay" and you understand that as an insult, even a joking one, it's because you understand "gay" to be an insulting thing. That is homophobic. That's not a United States thing, it's a "this is literally how language works" thing.
    - poisonarena 8y ago

InclinedPlane 8y ago

Would you say the same thing if it were the N-word? Of course not. Because you have misogynistic biases that make you more accepting of rape jokes. That doesn't mean rape jokes are better, it just means they are more tolerated.

poisonarena 8y ago
apples and oranges, there is no 'N-word' in Mexico or Colombia.. I remember when H+M had that fiasco when they had a black kids wearing a shirt that said something about being a monkey.. here in Colombia 'mono' or monkey is what you call white people.. And if I see a black man dropping his wallet in the street, nobody would think it is strange if I yelled at him and said "Hey BLACK MAN, you dropped your wallet!"
- 836363837473 8y ago
  How about maricón?

thereare5lights 8y ago

Go live in a place where you are a minority that is treated like a joke so you can experience it firsthand and you will understand very quickly.

foozed 8y ago

"when you don't have problems, you create them" - no. Just because there aren't any of the problems you mentioned, does not mean that this isn't a problem. Should we just stop caring about anything that is wrong so long as there are things that are more wrong?