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Visualization: Guy-to-girl ratio of every bar and restaurant in SF/NYC
- il 16y agoSo, very few bars in SF have more girls than guys. Sigh...
- kroger 16y agoCool visuallization, but "Tropisue\u00f1o", really? ;-)
- gacba 16y agoThe filtering might be a bit off on that data set...Sephora is a beauty retail outlet, which hardly qualifies as a bar or restaurant and its the #1 place for women in NYC.
- nerfhammer 16y agopick "nightlife" instead of the "shops" filter
- magicseth 16y agoI'd like to see this same data, but normalized for the total number of checkins per group. Right now all it tells me is that of the people going to bars, guys are more likely to check in than girls, not necessarily that there are more guys at the bar.
- rmoriz 16y agois the male/female ratio of foursquare comparable to the society or did weeplaces at least try to interpolate them?
- carbocation 16y agoIs there a known guy/gal differential on Foursquare in these cities? If so, it might be nice to have the ability scale these scores to reflect that. In other words, if 2/3 of SF's Foursquare users are female and 2/3 of a particular SF bar's Foursquare users are female: 1) It's true that the guy/gal ratio is 2:1, but 2) It's also true that there is no enrichment of women at this bar relative to the null expectation. Edit: A collection of presumably neutral places (e.g., Bay Bridge) might help achieve such an estimate.
- shashashasha 16y agocarbo, all percentages shown are deviations from our calculated average per city, so there is an average of about 2 male checkins per 1 female checkin in SF. hope that clears it up a bit!
- tfe 16y agoDo they normalize for the strong possibility that in general, guys check in more than girls? I'm assuming this is the case. Or for that guys are more likely to want to check in and advertise that they're at a bar rather than a beauty shop, or even a coffeehouse? And vice versa?
- shashashasha 16y agowe've thought about that a bit — it's probably harder to study that aspect [who wants to broadcast which where] but it is fascinating. strip clubs probably being way more male and the lex probably being way more female...
- JeffL 16y agoIf the "Bay Bridge" is 24% more girls to guys, then I think there is a problem here with reporting information that's not statistically significant, because that seems very unlikely to me.
- anigbrowl 16y agoIt's on the way back to downtown from the baseball park; SF has done well this year; SF girls like baseball.
- anigbrowl 16y agoI'm serious, actually. I was talking about this gender supply/demand issue in SF with my wife the other day and she observed that since baseball is a non-aggressive sport featuring high-status men, it serves a signalling function for single ladies that a bar doesn't.
- hugh3 16y agoAre you getting the Bay Bridge confused with the Third St Bridge?
- anigbrowl 16y agoNo, there's a spot at Embarcadero & Harrison with an unobstructed view that seems to be very popular for taking photos with the bridge in the background, or just to stop and look. After a game the trains are so crowded it's usually easier to walk the 1/2 mile back to Market street, so you've got several thousands going past there ~80 evenings a year. The last time we were there my wife referred to previous HN conversations about SF's social gender distribution and observed the abundance of single female giants fans. Also, there's a Gordon Biersch right across the street, so that probably helps too...
- hugh3 16y agoSo people check in "at the Bay Bridge" when they're just looking at it from a mile away? As an East Bay resident I am offended.
- seldo 16y agoI'm not sure this data is very good. The Lexington Club is marked as having 7% more male checkins. I live right next door to the Lex, and it's a lesbian bar. Women outnumber men there at least 10-to-1.
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- zain 16y agoWe could've probably normalized this data better. The fact of the matter is that guys use foursquare nearly twice as much as girls do, so every venue will have dramatically more guy check-ins. A 7% male edge actually makes it one of the more female venues in the city.
- carbocation 16y agoNow I'm confused. Your post implies that this is a raw excess (truly 7% more men than women, which is a relative excess of women compared to the citywide average of 2 male:1 female checkin), right? But shasha...sha's post indicates that you've actually already normalized, which would imply that this is actually 7% more men than average, which is already quite male (2 male per 1 female, per shasha...sha's post). Which is correct? Or am I misinterpreting?
- shashashasha 16y agosorry, it is 7% higher than sf's average. this is probably a case of Foursquare's demographic being heavily male [and heavily straight??]
- carbocation 16y agoGotcha. That clears it up; thanks.
- catch23 16y agoDoes foursquare publish male/female ratio user base stats? Based on the people I know, it seems like only males use apps like foursquare.
- ora600 16y agoNot interested in Guy-to-girl ratio (I get the right ratio for me at every nerdish meetup I attend), but now I know there are 3 Whiskey Lounges in SF.
- ESchmidtSeesYou 16y agoNot serious statistics, but very cool visual nonetheless. Now, so long as everyone realizes the 'woman at the bar' scene in A Beautiful Mind isn't actual game theory, feel free to go nuts.
- ESchmidtSeesYou 16y agoAnd if anyone genuinely IS interested in attempts by the dismal science to suck the soul out of romance, check out Gary Becker's 'A Theory of Marriage' papers.
- barnaby 16y agoOn behalf of my single friends that I forwarded this to: "Thank you". While I can't use this myself it's definitely helping a friend make plans for the near future.
- joblessjunkie 16y agoAKA Map of gay/lesbian bars
- oceanician 16y agoTo me the surprising thing is that ANY women check in to venues.... I can't think of any of my mates that do. But that might be a Manchester, UK thing.
- terra_t 16y agoyet another site that fills the stereotype of "hyperlocal" and "location-based service". Both of these seem to be a euphemism for "NYC and San Francisco"
- nerfhammer 16y agoProbably because such apps are dramatically more useful/viable in highly dense cities
- terra_t 16y agoThat's partially true, but I think also it's a sign that they're more interested in seducing investors than they are in making revenue. If you could get a large enough population involved, you ought to be able to make this work in small towns in Ohio as well; however, you've got to produce a service that's got the wide appeal that Facebook does, not something that appeals primarily to 20-something technorati singles.
- jfriedly 16y agoI understand that the statistics isn't completely accurate, but it still should give a rough idea. Think we could get the data graphed for more cities? (I just moved to Columbus, Ohio:)
- Goosey 16y agoThere may be problems, as others have pointed out, but it still seems like a valuable tool for me. After all, I don't need it to be perfectly accurate.. just ballpark accurate in order to take advantage of it. Please do Austin. :)
- Towle_ 16y ago(Late to the game, but I assume zain has been working to fix the kinks.) Right now, the #1 highest female ratio is showing up as... 1887%. Without making a dumb joke about how your math may be off (duh), I will say this: from a business perspective, if you're going to err on one side or the other, it may as well be this one. Haha.
- devinfoley 16y agoWow, this is one of those "why didn't I think of that" ideas. I could see this getting very popular over the next few weeks. Even if the data is not reliable, it's a very fun idea.
- daeken 16y agoTotally agreed. I'm in NYC right now -- my first night of many, hopefully, as I'm here for the week interviewing -- and this is totally awesome. Going to have to play around with it, and maybe mine some data myself.
- msy 16y agoCan we correctly label datasets please? Visualization: Guy-to-girl ratio of foursquare/gowalla/facebook checkins for every bar, restaurant and other random location in SF/NYC frequented by foursquare/gowalla/facebook places users who remember to check in. There are so many baises in there about the only solid fact you can take away from any of this is the relative popularity of locations with people who feel the need to broadcast their location.
- JimboOmega 16y agoI have to agree - the first thing I did on the site was to try to figure out where the data was from. But I can't find it anywhere (or even an "about" button that explains it). I assumed it was foursquare (same principle as wheretheladies.at, right?) but would have liked to see some background.
- gyanguru 16y agoWhat was used to create the map visualizer? Any open source library in flash?
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- akharris 16y agoPretty cool, but I'm a fan of the more macro version of the idea, as based on census data: http://www.xoxosoma.com/singles/ http://www.xoxosoma.com/singles/ (also a really awesome design)
- nerfhammer 16y agoI'm going to need an iphone app for this, like right now
- fairlyodd 16y agoHow did the authors of the visualization get the checkin data for every venue in SF and NYC? I have been trying to do the same for another project, and it is not supported by foursquare..
- alanh 16y agoCan't see a thing. Flash?