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When it comes to work (or other morning activities), I think there are actually two aspects to this that often get confused. One is what you're talking about:

When it comes to work (or other morning activities), I think there are actually two aspects to this that often get confused. One is what you're talking about: the way people regard waking up early as virtuous. The other is that, how early or late you arrive to an event sends signals about your attitude toward the event. Or at least it is interpreted that way. For example, if you are very excited about seeing a particular movie or a concert and it has general admission, you will arrive early to get a good seat. Someone who is ambivalent about the movie will not make such an effort. Therefore, arrival time correlates with enthusiasm, and people know this, and they reason backwards. There's also probably some stuff behind why people don't want to be the first to arrive at a party. Arriving fashionably late can show you only want to experience the best part of the party, which in a sense is a power move indicating you think you are more important than some of the other guests. I think people sometimes have these perceptions in the business world too. If you have a later schedule, they're not sure if it's because you are aligning your work schedule with your productive hours or because you'd rather not be there. Ideally, people wouldn't make assumptions, but it happens.

Retric 8y ago
Showing up a little late to a party is more courteous as the hosts have just a little more time to set things up without needing to entertain people. Showing up early on the other hand often put's people who are not ready on the spot. If you regularly host parties who will get annoyed at people that show up 30+ minutes early unless they are willing to help.
- thirdsun 8y ago
  To be fair these expectations vary wildly between cultures and countries. Where I come from the starting time of a party/event is regarded as actual starting time. You’re welcome, not expected, to arrive at that time and while there might be some minor preparations left, you’re in no way expected to help by being on time. However there was a reddit thread (or was it HN?) a few weeks back discussing this very issue and if i remember correctly being on time was considered almost rude in brazil as well as a number of other countries,
- collyw 8y ago
  This varies a lot from country to country as we noticed working with a very international group of friends in Spain. My friend basically sent out an invite to her party with staggered start times based on nationality. Spanish Greeks were asked to come two or three hours before the real start time, French one hour and Brits and Germans were given the actual time.
k__ 8y ago
Isn't what you saying exactly the problem mmaunder talked about? I like to sleep from 3-12 and I like to take naps at 18. This has nothing to do with me being unable to do a job or being not intersted in it. I worked for a bunch of people who gave me a hard time for not being awake at 9.
- adrianmonk 8y ago
  > Isn't what you saying exactly the problem mmaunder talked about? I was trying to make a distinction between perceptions of character and perceptions of attitude. Though not everyone agrees, many people see waking up early as a valuable part of being self-disciplined and hardworking. That's a perception about character. But that can't account for perceptions people have around events that happen in the afternoon or evening, and yet people still read things into arrival time for those events too. So there is a second factor in perception. > This has nothing to do with me being unable to do a job or being not intersted in it. I agree that it's absolutely possible for this to be the case. But perception doesn't always reflect reality. Often people really do understand and just like to tease others who don't fit the mold. But sometimes people make assumptions, so basically I'm trying to be aware of what assumptions they might make and why just in case it happens.
  - k__ 8y ago
    I see, okay. Yeah, I wish it was different tho' :/

Retric 8y ago

Showing up a little late to a party is more courteous as the hosts have just a little more time to set things up without needing to entertain people. Showing up early on the other hand often put's people who are not ready on the spot. If you regularly host parties who will get annoyed at people that show up 30+ minutes early unless they are willing to help.

thirdsun 8y ago
To be fair these expectations vary wildly between cultures and countries. Where I come from the starting time of a party/event is regarded as actual starting time. You’re welcome, not expected, to arrive at that time and while there might be some minor preparations left, you’re in no way expected to help by being on time. However there was a reddit thread (or was it HN?) a few weeks back discussing this very issue and if i remember correctly being on time was considered almost rude in brazil as well as a number of other countries,
collyw 8y ago
This varies a lot from country to country as we noticed working with a very international group of friends in Spain. My friend basically sent out an invite to her party with staggered start times based on nationality. Spanish Greeks were asked to come two or three hours before the real start time, French one hour and Brits and Germans were given the actual time.

k__ 8y ago

Isn't what you saying exactly the problem mmaunder talked about? I like to sleep from 3-12 and I like to take naps at 18. This has nothing to do with me being unable to do a job or being not intersted in it. I worked for a bunch of people who gave me a hard time for not being awake at 9.

adrianmonk 8y ago
> Isn't what you saying exactly the problem mmaunder talked about? I was trying to make a distinction between perceptions of character and perceptions of attitude. Though not everyone agrees, many people see waking up early as a valuable part of being self-disciplined and hardworking. That's a perception about character. But that can't account for perceptions people have around events that happen in the afternoon or evening, and yet people still read things into arrival time for those events too. So there is a second factor in perception. > This has nothing to do with me being unable to do a job or being not intersted in it. I agree that it's absolutely possible for this to be the case. But perception doesn't always reflect reality. Often people really do understand and just like to tease others who don't fit the mold. But sometimes people make assumptions, so basically I'm trying to be aware of what assumptions they might make and why just in case it happens.
- k__ 8y ago
  I see, okay. Yeah, I wish it was different tho' :/