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as an early riser myself, what bothers me about this is that I personally feel like I'm only talking about because someone else is making a big deal out of it.

as an early riser myself, what bothers me about this is that I personally feel like I'm only talking about because someone else is making a big deal out of it. I don't think I go out of my way to bring the topic up, but I'm constantly getting people saying things like "omg I saw when you sent that email/made that commit/whatever, do you ever sleep", and then I gotta say something like "well I was up at 5 so I knocked it out before I drove in..." and now it's a thing we're talking about and I'm the crazy guy. It feels like a much bigger issue to late-risers than early-risers.

LifeQuestioner 8y ago
I really wish I could sleep by 2am. It would make life possible. My natural sleep pattern is 5am-12. I've literally spent the last decade trying to solve it. Until, I gave up.
- danvasquez29 8y ago
  it's been a conscious effort on my part and I'm still very susceptible to falling off the wagon for a week at a time. I don't think it's very natural for people tbh. I was always a late worker and still kind of am when the shit really hits the fan, but I am a believer that when I have to put in the extra hours, I'm usually more efficient in the morning that late at night. That motivates me to keep trying.
  - rootusrootus 8y ago
    For some people it is the most natural thing in the world.
- anon1253 8y ago
  I'm the same, but I've found a life hack: work remotely for a company in the US while in the EU ... then it lines up better!
- Retric 8y ago
  Move to a new time zone and that 'natural' 5am-12 would shift to match that time zone. So, it's really not about biology it's about how you set up your environment. That said, as long as it's working for you great! Just don't assume it's impossible to change if it's causing you problems.
  - hinkley 8y ago
    You might be able to tweak it 45 minutes though by living at the edge of the time zone. But you have to figure out if you’re staying up with the sun or your work schedule. If you stay up until the sun is nearly up then the eastern edge means the sun is up longer before you have to be at work. But if it’s N hours after you get home, then you’ll see more daylight on the western edge which might be more healthy for you. For me I don’t want to move if the sun isn’t up yet. I need to move farther south so my winters aren’t as rough.
  - LifeQuestioner 8y ago
    This is not your fault, as you really do not know the lengths and depths and tears and effort it has taken for me to change my sleep pattern to be consistent. But there is no "assumption here". A main problem is - even when i've had to be awake at 9am every day (yes awake at 9am, not working at 9am) it causes me to fall really ill. Mentally and physically your body feels wrecked and it doesn't matter how tired you are, you wake up at night. I now, after a decade, manage a sleep cycle that doesn't change every day by a few hours and I can just about function enough for meetings. I can just about get to 1pm meetings and it's taken so much effort just to be able to get here! I've written nearly 4 articles covering the different strategies i've used to be able to wake up early in the morning. I've slept through some of the most important things - which led me in my final exams to just stay up all night to get to 9am exams incase I wouldn't wake up. What has worked is accepting that it is a genuine disability and problem. And as you say, adjusting my environment to suit my sleeping issues. Unfortunately, changing time zones doesn't work. But it's a nice theory (I've already tried this). I'll be posting my articles soon which documents every strategy i've tried over the last decade, in hope it might help someone find a solution for them.
    - 8y ago
- collyw 8y ago
  Does this change at all when the clocks go back / forward? How long does it take you to adjust then? In my opinion the 2am is just a conceptual thing and there is nothing concrete about it - we change it twice a year and most people adjust fairly quickly.
  - LifeQuestioner 8y ago
    my mind says conceptual thing, my body does not
learnstats2 8y ago
It should be a bigger deal to late-risers because, you know, a typical schedule of work and socialising isn't compatible with rising late. This is particularly galling because it appears that late-risers are not uncommon. Early risers speaking on the issue don't have anything interesting to say.
- dang 8y ago
  That last bit is obviously not true, and please don't post polarizing comments on divisive comments, a.k.a. flamebait. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
pseudalopex 8y ago
"I was up at 5 so I knocked it out before I drove in" comes across differently than "I was up at 5, but I go to bed around 9:30, so it evens out".
- rootusrootus 8y ago
  Just goes to show that as careful as we ought to be to make sure what we say is reasonable, we should also be careful to keep our interpretations charitable.

LifeQuestioner 8y ago

I really wish I could sleep by 2am. It would make life possible. My natural sleep pattern is 5am-12. I've literally spent the last decade trying to solve it. Until, I gave up.

danvasquez29 8y ago
it's been a conscious effort on my part and I'm still very susceptible to falling off the wagon for a week at a time. I don't think it's very natural for people tbh. I was always a late worker and still kind of am when the shit really hits the fan, but I am a believer that when I have to put in the extra hours, I'm usually more efficient in the morning that late at night. That motivates me to keep trying.
- rootusrootus 8y ago
  For some people it is the most natural thing in the world.
anon1253 8y ago
I'm the same, but I've found a life hack: work remotely for a company in the US while in the EU ... then it lines up better!
Retric 8y ago
Move to a new time zone and that 'natural' 5am-12 would shift to match that time zone. So, it's really not about biology it's about how you set up your environment. That said, as long as it's working for you great! Just don't assume it's impossible to change if it's causing you problems.
- hinkley 8y ago
  You might be able to tweak it 45 minutes though by living at the edge of the time zone. But you have to figure out if you’re staying up with the sun or your work schedule. If you stay up until the sun is nearly up then the eastern edge means the sun is up longer before you have to be at work. But if it’s N hours after you get home, then you’ll see more daylight on the western edge which might be more healthy for you. For me I don’t want to move if the sun isn’t up yet. I need to move farther south so my winters aren’t as rough.
- LifeQuestioner 8y ago
  This is not your fault, as you really do not know the lengths and depths and tears and effort it has taken for me to change my sleep pattern to be consistent. But there is no "assumption here". A main problem is - even when i've had to be awake at 9am every day (yes awake at 9am, not working at 9am) it causes me to fall really ill. Mentally and physically your body feels wrecked and it doesn't matter how tired you are, you wake up at night. I now, after a decade, manage a sleep cycle that doesn't change every day by a few hours and I can just about function enough for meetings. I can just about get to 1pm meetings and it's taken so much effort just to be able to get here! I've written nearly 4 articles covering the different strategies i've used to be able to wake up early in the morning. I've slept through some of the most important things - which led me in my final exams to just stay up all night to get to 9am exams incase I wouldn't wake up. What has worked is accepting that it is a genuine disability and problem. And as you say, adjusting my environment to suit my sleeping issues. Unfortunately, changing time zones doesn't work. But it's a nice theory (I've already tried this). I'll be posting my articles soon which documents every strategy i've tried over the last decade, in hope it might help someone find a solution for them.
  - 8y ago
collyw 8y ago
Does this change at all when the clocks go back / forward? How long does it take you to adjust then? In my opinion the 2am is just a conceptual thing and there is nothing concrete about it - we change it twice a year and most people adjust fairly quickly.
- LifeQuestioner 8y ago
  my mind says conceptual thing, my body does not

learnstats2 8y ago

It should be a bigger deal to late-risers because, you know, a typical schedule of work and socialising isn't compatible with rising late. This is particularly galling because it appears that late-risers are not uncommon. Early risers speaking on the issue don't have anything interesting to say.

dang 8y ago
That last bit is obviously not true, and please don't post polarizing comments on divisive comments, a.k.a. flamebait. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

pseudalopex 8y ago

"I was up at 5 so I knocked it out before I drove in" comes across differently than "I was up at 5, but I go to bed around 9:30, so it evens out".

rootusrootus 8y ago
Just goes to show that as careful as we ought to be to make sure what we say is reasonable, we should also be careful to keep our interpretations charitable.