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Doesn't have the latest build for macOS. :(

by temp 8y ago

josteink 8y ago
Disclaimer: general comment. Not affiliated with project, etc. I don’t know about you, but I don’t typically feel like shelling out $1000 to buy a machine specifically for an OS I don’t use, just to build a binary to non-paying users of free software. If Apple would provide easily installable ISOs for VBox/VMWare installations (or something equivalent), I might bother setting up a build for it. Right now it’s out of the question.
- filleduchaos 8y ago
  > but I don’t typically feel like shelling out $1000 to buy a machine specifically for an OS I don’t use I keep seeing this argument and it honestly just sounds rather lazy when a few seconds of Googling will point you towards build services you can use without having to purchase a Macbook (for instance, TravisCI has an OS X build environment). Or if you're opposed to cloud-hosted build tools for some reason you could ask users/the user requesting a macOS binary would mind working with you to test your build script(s) for compatibility and mention that Mac users will have to build from source in your README. This whole "well I would if Macs weren't so expensive" sounds like "I just don't want to support macOS" because you have options if you actually were interested.
  - aikah 8y ago
    > This whole "well I would if Macs weren't so expensive" sounds like "I just don't want to support macOS" because you have options if you actually were interested. Mac development is a bit more complicated than running MacOS on a CI, especially with GUI apps. And of course code authors prefer compiling programs themselves on their infrastructure. If you want to volunteer and provide a Mac Build then get the source do it and distribute it. But don't accuse people of being somehow lazy for not supporting mac, that's preposterous. Apple is responsible for the situation. Don't shift the blame away from them.
    - filleduchaos 8y ago
      > Mac development is a bit more complicated than running MacOS on a CI, especially with GUI apps. And this is a cross-platform project that's not exactly Cocoa-heavy (being based on Electron). The person I responded to did not say anything about creating GUIs either, so I am not sure what your point is. > And of course code authors prefer compiling programs themselves on their infrastructure. Which is why Travis, Circle, Appveyor and co have zero users, as we all know. > If you want to volunteer and provide a Mac Build then get the source do it and distribute it It's almost as if that was one of the things I suggested - working with the requester to provide a binary > But don't accuse people of being somehow lazy for not supporting mac, that's preposterous. I said the argument is lazy, not the people. If for some reason (ideological or whatever) you're not interested in supporting macOS, then say so outright. Don't pretend as though the only obstacle between you and distributing your otherwise cross-platform software for macOS is not having a literal Mac in your hands because there are other easy options, like taking on a contributor or using a build service.
- userbinator 8y ago
  IMHO it's easy enough to find a way if you want to test. I had to do it a few times in the past and it's surprising how easy it is to run macOS in VirtualBox. Insert ISO, change some configuration, and it boots and installs. Plenty of tutorials and such too.
  - josteink 8y ago
    What ISO? And where? You mean those hacked ISOs from TPB for 3 year old OSX releases? How can I, or anyone else for that matter, be sure they are safe to use and represents runtime behavior of the latest ever-changing (read: breaking) OSX? It’s not as easy as you make it out to be.
    - userbinator 8y ago
      How can I, or anyone else for that matter, be sure they are safe to use and represents runtime behavior of the latest ever-changing (read: breaking) OSX? The Hackintosh community has plenty of very knowledgeable individuals who know what they're doing. If someone was trying to pass malware around they would be found out and ostracised very quickly. You can also find the direct links to Apple's servers if you search. Hint: InstallESD.dmg and swcdn.apple.com .
      - josteink 8y ago
        That’s akin to use hacked or pirated Windows ISOs to build and test Windows-software. And nobody in their right mind would suggest that, right? Why does different rules apply to OSX? Also: DMG-files can’t be used unless you’ve already purchased that $1000 machine you don’t really want/need. It’s completely unsupported in any meaningful sense outside OSX. So more roadblocks. You know how I get a Windows ISO? I download it from Microsoft. Ubuntu? Download it from canonical. Etc etc. Can we all agree that it is Apple who put up all these roadblocks? No other OS vendor makes it harder/more expensive to support their platform than Apple does. And then you can’t really blame developers for not bothering. It’s all on Apple.
        8y ago
- PascLeRasc 8y ago
  Thankfully you don't have to do any of that (for any platform), thanks to Travis! https://travis-ci.org/ https://travis-ci.org/

Doesn't have the latest build for macOS. :(

by temp 8y ago

Doesn't have the latest build for macOS. :(

Disclaimer: general comment. Not affiliated with project, etc. I don’t know about you, but I don’t typically feel like shelling out $1000 to buy a machine specifically for an OS I don’t use, just to build a binary to non-paying users of free software. If Apple would provide easily installable ISOs for VBox/VMWare installations (or something equivalent), I might bother setting up a build for it. Right now it’s out of the question.

filleduchaos 8y ago
> but I don’t typically feel like shelling out $1000 to buy a machine specifically for an OS I don’t use I keep seeing this argument and it honestly just sounds rather lazy when a few seconds of Googling will point you towards build services you can use without having to purchase a Macbook (for instance, TravisCI has an OS X build environment). Or if you're opposed to cloud-hosted build tools for some reason you could ask users/the user requesting a macOS binary would mind working with you to test your build script(s) for compatibility and mention that Mac users will have to build from source in your README. This whole "well I would if Macs weren't so expensive" sounds like "I just don't want to support macOS" because you have options if you actually were interested.
- aikah 8y ago
  > This whole "well I would if Macs weren't so expensive" sounds like "I just don't want to support macOS" because you have options if you actually were interested. Mac development is a bit more complicated than running MacOS on a CI, especially with GUI apps. And of course code authors prefer compiling programs themselves on their infrastructure. If you want to volunteer and provide a Mac Build then get the source do it and distribute it. But don't accuse people of being somehow lazy for not supporting mac, that's preposterous. Apple is responsible for the situation. Don't shift the blame away from them.
  - filleduchaos 8y ago
    > Mac development is a bit more complicated than running MacOS on a CI, especially with GUI apps. And this is a cross-platform project that's not exactly Cocoa-heavy (being based on Electron). The person I responded to did not say anything about creating GUIs either, so I am not sure what your point is. > And of course code authors prefer compiling programs themselves on their infrastructure. Which is why Travis, Circle, Appveyor and co have zero users, as we all know. > If you want to volunteer and provide a Mac Build then get the source do it and distribute it It's almost as if that was one of the things I suggested - working with the requester to provide a binary > But don't accuse people of being somehow lazy for not supporting mac, that's preposterous. I said the argument is lazy, not the people. If for some reason (ideological or whatever) you're not interested in supporting macOS, then say so outright. Don't pretend as though the only obstacle between you and distributing your otherwise cross-platform software for macOS is not having a literal Mac in your hands because there are other easy options, like taking on a contributor or using a build service.
userbinator 8y ago
IMHO it's easy enough to find a way if you want to test. I had to do it a few times in the past and it's surprising how easy it is to run macOS in VirtualBox. Insert ISO, change some configuration, and it boots and installs. Plenty of tutorials and such too.
- josteink 8y ago
  What ISO? And where? You mean those hacked ISOs from TPB for 3 year old OSX releases? How can I, or anyone else for that matter, be sure they are safe to use and represents runtime behavior of the latest ever-changing (read: breaking) OSX? It’s not as easy as you make it out to be.
  - userbinator 8y ago
    How can I, or anyone else for that matter, be sure they are safe to use and represents runtime behavior of the latest ever-changing (read: breaking) OSX? The Hackintosh community has plenty of very knowledgeable individuals who know what they're doing. If someone was trying to pass malware around they would be found out and ostracised very quickly. You can also find the direct links to Apple's servers if you search. Hint: InstallESD.dmg and swcdn.apple.com .
    - josteink 8y ago
      That’s akin to use hacked or pirated Windows ISOs to build and test Windows-software. And nobody in their right mind would suggest that, right? Why does different rules apply to OSX? Also: DMG-files can’t be used unless you’ve already purchased that $1000 machine you don’t really want/need. It’s completely unsupported in any meaningful sense outside OSX. So more roadblocks. You know how I get a Windows ISO? I download it from Microsoft. Ubuntu? Download it from canonical. Etc etc. Can we all agree that it is Apple who put up all these roadblocks? No other OS vendor makes it harder/more expensive to support their platform than Apple does. And then you can’t really blame developers for not bothering. It’s all on Apple.
      - 8y ago
PascLeRasc 8y ago
Thankfully you don't have to do any of that (for any platform), thanks to Travis! https://travis-ci.org/ https://travis-ci.org/