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Oh-my-zsh + iterm2 is the best combination out there imho

by hrcxxx 8y ago

AdamGibbins 8y ago
Both are horribly slow, seriously, try iTerm2 for a week then try Terminal - you'll then notice how much latency iTerm2 adds to basic key presses. oh-my-zsh is also horribly slow out of box, spend some time manually configuring zsh and observe your terminals open in fractional seconds instead of multiple seconds.
- toomanybeersies 8y ago
  Personally, I haven't found keypress latency to be a particular issue. I'm familiar enough with the terminal that I generally type by rote, I don't even need to look at the terminal while typing for most common tasks.
- taude 8y ago
  My terminals stay open inbetween computer re-boots, so not really a problem? I imagine most dev-types keep terminals open all the time on their local dev machines.
- fredoliveira 8y ago
  iTerm2 with the new metal renderer (only added to the stable releases recently) is as fast as Terminal. But if you want to see what a truly fast terminal can be, give Kitty a try: https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/ https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/ As for OMZ, yep, it includes a lot of functionality out of the box which makes it a little slow. I personally use prezto because it's quicker. Give that a try.
  - nsnick 8y ago
    Kitty is OpenGL based. Apple is deprecating OpenGL in Mojave.
    - Synaesthesia 8y ago
      Yeah but it’s still gonna work. I mean they haven’t updated it in ages either.
    - jrockway 8y ago
      Deprecated just means all the bugs have been found and you can use it without fear!
      - beschicker 8y ago
        I find this religion quite amusing.
        rounce 8y ago
        You should do, it was a joke.
- ReverseCold 8y ago
  I switched from iTerm+ohmyzsh to Terminal + fish. It's basically exactly what I had before except I can't click on links in my terminal.
  - yoz-y 8y ago
    I've tried fish for a year or two but in the end I went back to zsh. I found that the differences in scripting languages were just not worth it.
    - ReverseCold 8y ago
      My scripts are still bash scripts, I just run them with `bash somescript.sh`.
  - hibbelig 8y ago
    You can cmd-double click. (I don't use fish, though. But I don't think there's a way for fish to turn it off.)
    - ReverseCold 8y ago
      Neat! It's exactly what I had before then.
- cseelus 8y ago
  Afaik Terminal.app still doesn’t support true color, let alone such things as ligatures.
  - kitsunesoba 8y ago
    I don’t know about color (never needed anything fancy that way) but Terminal has supported ligatures for at least the past macOS release or two. I use Fira Code with mine and it works exactly as expected. iTerm2 is nice but for my usage it does too much. If there were a lite version that cut a lot of the more niche features and focused solely on speed and responsiveness I might consider it.
- shriver 8y ago
  I use iTerm2 all the term and I can honestly say I've never given a second thought to responsiveness. What are you noticing specifically? Are you typing super fast?
toomanybeersies 8y ago
I cannot understand how my colleagues get any command line work done with the default macOS terminal.
- lloeki 8y ago
  To each his own: I find Terminal.app to be one of the best terminal out there, all platforms combined. Speed and latency are awesome, colors are exact. Line marks (both manual and with automatic prompt detection) navigated with cmd+up/down is a godsend. Escape sequences to update tab and window titles with directory and document paths are great too. The only thing I miss is having different settings for alt and meta on the left and right alt keys. The days of Terminal.app being crap (up till Leopard) are long gone since Snow Leopard where it had a major update, and was constantly improved upon on each subsequent release.
- gumby 8y ago
  What’s wrong with it? I spend most of my day using it.
weeha 8y ago
I can highly recommend Zplug instead of oh-my-zsh, I find it much faster. https://github.com/zplug/zplug https://github.com/zplug/zplug I also like FZF a lot for fast history search: https://github.com/junegunn/fzf https://github.com/junegunn/fzf
- tvon 8y ago
  I know this is territory that gets rehashed every time someone says "hey, I like tool X..." but I still get a kick out of browsing these threads to see what tools people are using. On that front, I've been using ZIM: https://github.com/zimfw/zimfw https://github.com/zimfw/zimfw I also recently added sandboxd so certain things are not run during shell init (rbenv/pyenv/asdf/etc): https://github.com/benvan/sandboxd https://github.com/benvan/sandboxd
Kagerjay 8y ago
Haven't tried oh-my-zsh, but iterm2 is my favorite terminal. I have a keybinding set to CTRL+CMD+SPACEBAR for show/hiding item2. This is fairly close to activating the spotlight shortcut (CMD+SPACEBAR) This makes it easy for me to seamlessly swap between my IDE and 2-3 terminals. Without having to use desktop swapping, etc.
- luckman212 8y ago
  How exactly did you set up that keybinding? Are you using Automator or something like Hammerspoon, etc?
  - Rebelgecko 8y ago
    If you want one persistent window to always popup with a hotkey: Preferences => Profiles => (Choose or make from scratch[1]) => Keys => Configure Hotkey Window I think that works with the Control-Command-Space binding mentioned above. I use caps lock to toggle my terminal, which required some remapping via Karabiner[2] [1] I have a profile called "Hotkey Profile" I don't remember if I set this up myself or if iTerm did it for me. I have it configured to appear on whichever monitor my mouse is on when I open it, and to have its window fill the bottom 1/3 or so of my screen [2] https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/ https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/
    - luckman212 8y ago
      Thanks for this. Never knew that feature existed and now I've got it set up -- it's super convenient.

Oh-my-zsh + iterm2 is the best combination out there imho

by hrcxxx 8y ago

Oh-my-zsh + iterm2 is the best combination out there imho

Both are horribly slow, seriously, try iTerm2 for a week then try Terminal - you'll then notice how much latency iTerm2 adds to basic key presses. oh-my-zsh is also horribly slow out of box, spend some time manually configuring zsh and observe your terminals open in fractional seconds instead of multiple seconds.

toomanybeersies 8y ago
Personally, I haven't found keypress latency to be a particular issue. I'm familiar enough with the terminal that I generally type by rote, I don't even need to look at the terminal while typing for most common tasks.
taude 8y ago
My terminals stay open inbetween computer re-boots, so not really a problem? I imagine most dev-types keep terminals open all the time on their local dev machines.
fredoliveira 8y ago
iTerm2 with the new metal renderer (only added to the stable releases recently) is as fast as Terminal. But if you want to see what a truly fast terminal can be, give Kitty a try: https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/ https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/ As for OMZ, yep, it includes a lot of functionality out of the box which makes it a little slow. I personally use prezto because it's quicker. Give that a try.
- nsnick 8y ago
  Kitty is OpenGL based. Apple is deprecating OpenGL in Mojave.
  - Synaesthesia 8y ago
    Yeah but it’s still gonna work. I mean they haven’t updated it in ages either.
  - jrockway 8y ago
    Deprecated just means all the bugs have been found and you can use it without fear!
    - beschicker 8y ago
      I find this religion quite amusing.
      - rounce 8y ago
        You should do, it was a joke.
ReverseCold 8y ago
I switched from iTerm+ohmyzsh to Terminal + fish. It's basically exactly what I had before except I can't click on links in my terminal.
- yoz-y 8y ago
  I've tried fish for a year or two but in the end I went back to zsh. I found that the differences in scripting languages were just not worth it.
  - ReverseCold 8y ago
    My scripts are still bash scripts, I just run them with `bash somescript.sh`.
- hibbelig 8y ago
  You can cmd-double click. (I don't use fish, though. But I don't think there's a way for fish to turn it off.)
  - ReverseCold 8y ago
    Neat! It's exactly what I had before then.
cseelus 8y ago
Afaik Terminal.app still doesn’t support true color, let alone such things as ligatures.
- kitsunesoba 8y ago
  I don’t know about color (never needed anything fancy that way) but Terminal has supported ligatures for at least the past macOS release or two. I use Fira Code with mine and it works exactly as expected. iTerm2 is nice but for my usage it does too much. If there were a lite version that cut a lot of the more niche features and focused solely on speed and responsiveness I might consider it.
shriver 8y ago
I use iTerm2 all the term and I can honestly say I've never given a second thought to responsiveness. What are you noticing specifically? Are you typing super fast?

toomanybeersies 8y ago

I cannot understand how my colleagues get any command line work done with the default macOS terminal.

lloeki 8y ago
To each his own: I find Terminal.app to be one of the best terminal out there, all platforms combined. Speed and latency are awesome, colors are exact. Line marks (both manual and with automatic prompt detection) navigated with cmd+up/down is a godsend. Escape sequences to update tab and window titles with directory and document paths are great too. The only thing I miss is having different settings for alt and meta on the left and right alt keys. The days of Terminal.app being crap (up till Leopard) are long gone since Snow Leopard where it had a major update, and was constantly improved upon on each subsequent release.
gumby 8y ago
What’s wrong with it? I spend most of my day using it.

weeha 8y ago

I can highly recommend Zplug instead of oh-my-zsh, I find it much faster. https://github.com/zplug/zplug https://github.com/zplug/zplug I also like FZF a lot for fast history search: https://github.com/junegunn/fzf https://github.com/junegunn/fzf

tvon 8y ago
I know this is territory that gets rehashed every time someone says "hey, I like tool X..." but I still get a kick out of browsing these threads to see what tools people are using. On that front, I've been using ZIM: https://github.com/zimfw/zimfw https://github.com/zimfw/zimfw I also recently added sandboxd so certain things are not run during shell init (rbenv/pyenv/asdf/etc): https://github.com/benvan/sandboxd https://github.com/benvan/sandboxd

Kagerjay 8y ago

Haven't tried oh-my-zsh, but iterm2 is my favorite terminal. I have a keybinding set to CTRL+CMD+SPACEBAR for show/hiding item2. This is fairly close to activating the spotlight shortcut (CMD+SPACEBAR) This makes it easy for me to seamlessly swap between my IDE and 2-3 terminals. Without having to use desktop swapping, etc.

luckman212 8y ago
How exactly did you set up that keybinding? Are you using Automator or something like Hammerspoon, etc?
- Rebelgecko 8y ago
  If you want one persistent window to always popup with a hotkey: Preferences => Profiles => (Choose or make from scratch[1]) => Keys => Configure Hotkey Window I think that works with the Control-Command-Space binding mentioned above. I use caps lock to toggle my terminal, which required some remapping via Karabiner[2] [1] I have a profile called "Hotkey Profile" I don't remember if I set this up myself or if iTerm did it for me. I have it configured to appear on whichever monitor my mouse is on when I open it, and to have its window fill the bottom 1/3 or so of my screen [2] https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/ https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/
  - luckman212 8y ago
    Thanks for this. Never knew that feature existed and now I've got it set up -- it's super convenient.