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Tell them it's impossible to do better. Microsoft took that route Citation needed; where and when did they state this? Look at vending machines. Like the one

Tell them it's impossible to do better. Microsoft took that route Citation needed; where and when did they state this? Look at vending machines. Like the one at work which tells me to use exact change only, then accepts more money and still gives me the right change?

Piskvorrr 8y ago
That all-caps section in any Windows EULA since W95 saying essentially "if it breaks in any way it's all your fault"?
- jodrellblank 8y ago
  The "NO WARRANTIES" and "LIMITATION OF LIABILITY" sections? The ones which appear (to a layperson) to match the MIT license "NO WARRANTY" section, or the Mozilla Public License "indemnify all Contributers" and "disclaimer of warranty", and sections 7, 8 of the Apache License 2, and sections 15, 16 of the GPL v3? If so, there's a lot of people stating "it's impossible to build better software than ours", and while I disagree that's what it communicates, if that is what it means, it's bad-faith to try and single Microsoft out on that count, isn't it?
  - Piskvorrr 8y ago
    I thought it was the canonical example - not that they're the only one.
salawat 8y ago
You know what, give me a few days to do some research if you're genuinely interested. I heard about it from a co-worker who did work with the early telcos way back when. He's passed away, but I never actually looked it up considering that co-worker's role as my mentor and deep insight into computing history that checked out before.
- jodrellblank 8y ago
  I am mildly interested, to the extent that it's any kind of specific, public Microsoft technical claim, rather than a piece of generic marketing hubris, or a rumour of something said in a closed-doors meeting of C-level people once upon a time. (Re: Marketing disclaimer, e.g. the slogan in the UK "You can't get better than a Kwik-Fit fitter", Kwik-Fit being a high-street chain of budget vehicle repair, I think analogous to something like Jiffy-Lube in the USA, it would be unreasonable for anyone to take this as a factual claim that "no better mechanics exist on the planet", excellent mechanics are more likely to work on racing car engines than routine oil and brake changes for near minimum wage, say)

Piskvorrr 8y ago

That all-caps section in any Windows EULA since W95 saying essentially "if it breaks in any way it's all your fault"?

jodrellblank 8y ago
The "NO WARRANTIES" and "LIMITATION OF LIABILITY" sections? The ones which appear (to a layperson) to match the MIT license "NO WARRANTY" section, or the Mozilla Public License "indemnify all Contributers" and "disclaimer of warranty", and sections 7, 8 of the Apache License 2, and sections 15, 16 of the GPL v3? If so, there's a lot of people stating "it's impossible to build better software than ours", and while I disagree that's what it communicates, if that is what it means, it's bad-faith to try and single Microsoft out on that count, isn't it?
- Piskvorrr 8y ago
  I thought it was the canonical example - not that they're the only one.

salawat 8y ago

You know what, give me a few days to do some research if you're genuinely interested. I heard about it from a co-worker who did work with the early telcos way back when. He's passed away, but I never actually looked it up considering that co-worker's role as my mentor and deep insight into computing history that checked out before.

jodrellblank 8y ago
I am mildly interested, to the extent that it's any kind of specific, public Microsoft technical claim, rather than a piece of generic marketing hubris, or a rumour of something said in a closed-doors meeting of C-level people once upon a time. (Re: Marketing disclaimer, e.g. the slogan in the UK "You can't get better than a Kwik-Fit fitter", Kwik-Fit being a high-street chain of budget vehicle repair, I think analogous to something like Jiffy-Lube in the USA, it would be unreasonable for anyone to take this as a factual claim that "no better mechanics exist on the planet", excellent mechanics are more likely to work on racing car engines than routine oil and brake changes for near minimum wage, say)