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And having money stolen from my wallet because I haven’t logged in recently is NOT useful for a currency.

by adiusmus 8y ago

DINKDINK 8y ago
Goal post moving. You claimed Lightning was a fork of bitcoin which is patently false. You lost your debate.
- adiusmus 8y ago
  Lighting as a bitcoin fork is at: http://lightningbitcoin.io/ http://lightningbitcoin.io/ Which is what I was talking about. No goal post moving. Have a nice day, bully boy.
  - dang 8y ago
    You crossed into incivility in this thread, as well as broke the site guidelines by complaining about downvotes. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here. I know it's hard when downvotes feel unfair, but those rules all exist for good reason and we ban accounts for breaking them, regardless of how wrong someone else was.
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- dang 8y ago
  Incivility and snark will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is. Please don't post like this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
beaner 8y ago
It's a technical caveat that exists now, but there's nothing categorically preventing additional technology to help users prevent this fate without much work. One thing I don't understand is why so many people seem to have this "Bitcoin CAN not, therefore it WILL not" attitude. Bitcoin is software, it is editable, it is being actively developed. Most of us here, I thought, were familiar with the process of improving software over time by working on it, providing solutions we didn't have before. We don't write code once and say, "welp, software cannot do this thing, because it doesn't already do this thing." What?? People would think you're an idiot. Yet this is the most common type of argument against crypto, even here on HN.
- adiusmus 8y ago
  I think anything that wants to be called a currency should be useful for buying and selling goods and useful for storing value. Cash right now can do this. Bitcoin right now can’t, and lightning on top can’t do it as per your comment about it having a vulnerability if you don’t log in. I’m sure I’ll get downvoted for that statement as well. This is simple bullying by a mob of people who don’t understand what a currency is actually useful for. And are happy to bully and attack someone for even mentioning an issue.
  - beaner 8y ago
    Nobody's bullying you, you just say inaccurate things or bring up things that were not your original argument. Even this response disregards my point. Everyone agrees with you that being able to handle payments is important for Bitcoin to become a more widely-adopted currency. That's why they're working on improving it so that it can be that way.
    - adiusmus 8y ago
      Wrong. I can’t see any evidence of others agreeing with me. People definitely disagreed with my statement “And having money stolen from my wallet because I haven’t logged in recently is NOT useful for a currency.” Disagreeing with that doesn’t bode well for the future of commerce. The only possibly incorrect statement was “Another fork of bitcoin”. The person who told me I was wrong introduced a different project. I was accused of "moving the goal posts’’ when I clarified what I was referring to and got a snarky reply when I did so. So my statement about lightning being a “Another fork of bitcoin” is actually factually correct. References: Lightning as bitcoin fork http://lightningbitcoin.io/ http://lightningbitcoin.io/ Lightning as protocol https://lightning.network/ https://lightning.network/

And having money stolen from my wallet because I haven’t logged in recently is NOT useful for a currency.

DINKDINK 8y ago

Goal post moving. You claimed Lightning was a fork of bitcoin which is patently false. You lost your debate.

adiusmus 8y ago
Lighting as a bitcoin fork is at: http://lightningbitcoin.io/ http://lightningbitcoin.io/ Which is what I was talking about. No goal post moving. Have a nice day, bully boy.
- dang 8y ago
  You crossed into incivility in this thread, as well as broke the site guidelines by complaining about downvotes. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here. I know it's hard when downvotes feel unfair, but those rules all exist for good reason and we ban accounts for breaking them, regardless of how wrong someone else was.
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dang 8y ago
Incivility and snark will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is. Please don't post like this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

beaner 8y ago

It's a technical caveat that exists now, but there's nothing categorically preventing additional technology to help users prevent this fate without much work. One thing I don't understand is why so many people seem to have this "Bitcoin CAN not, therefore it WILL not" attitude. Bitcoin is software, it is editable, it is being actively developed. Most of us here, I thought, were familiar with the process of improving software over time by working on it, providing solutions we didn't have before. We don't write code once and say, "welp, software cannot do this thing, because it doesn't already do this thing." What?? People would think you're an idiot. Yet this is the most common type of argument against crypto, even here on HN.

adiusmus 8y ago
I think anything that wants to be called a currency should be useful for buying and selling goods and useful for storing value. Cash right now can do this. Bitcoin right now can’t, and lightning on top can’t do it as per your comment about it having a vulnerability if you don’t log in. I’m sure I’ll get downvoted for that statement as well. This is simple bullying by a mob of people who don’t understand what a currency is actually useful for. And are happy to bully and attack someone for even mentioning an issue.
- beaner 8y ago
  Nobody's bullying you, you just say inaccurate things or bring up things that were not your original argument. Even this response disregards my point. Everyone agrees with you that being able to handle payments is important for Bitcoin to become a more widely-adopted currency. That's why they're working on improving it so that it can be that way.
  - adiusmus 8y ago
    Wrong. I can’t see any evidence of others agreeing with me. People definitely disagreed with my statement “And having money stolen from my wallet because I haven’t logged in recently is NOT useful for a currency.” Disagreeing with that doesn’t bode well for the future of commerce. The only possibly incorrect statement was “Another fork of bitcoin”. The person who told me I was wrong introduced a different project. I was accused of "moving the goal posts’’ when I clarified what I was referring to and got a snarky reply when I did so. So my statement about lightning being a “Another fork of bitcoin” is actually factually correct. References: Lightning as bitcoin fork http://lightningbitcoin.io/ http://lightningbitcoin.io/ Lightning as protocol https://lightning.network/ https://lightning.network/