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I’m using anki to gradually learn japanese kanji using the RTK method. Working really well so far, up to about 800 with little struggle.

by graeme 8y ago

x0x0 8y ago
have you tried readlang? I'm really happy with it, but I'm studying German. Not sure if it works with asian languages. The website doesn't emphasize it, but readlang has a spaced repetition vocab tool. With multiple (at least for romance languages) built in dictionaries.
- baxtr 8y ago
  Readlang sounds quite promising, I will try it for my Spanish! Thanks for sharing :)
graeme 8y ago
Looks super useful, thanks! May try it for German. The system I'm doing isn't s reading one though. Instead, you associate each of the 2200 Kanji with an English keyword. You break down the kanji into component primitives, and then you remember how to draw each one by visualizing a phrase associated with that keyword. For example, Seedling: 苗 The top part is flower: 艹 The bottom part is rixe field: 田 You can make a story like: if you plant seedlings in a field, they will flower. And you imagine it visually. (Note, I have terrible visualization, but can do it well enough for it to work) This is a really simple example, but you can get more complex stuff. The system generally sticks to Japanese etymology, but sometimes will make up new primitives where it's more convenient for learning.
JepZ 8y ago
While searching the AUR for Anki I just found this extension for Firefox which has some Anki integration. Looks promising for people who want to learn Japanese: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/yomichan/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/yomichan/
irq11 8y ago
Take my advice, as a somewhat advanced learner: don’t do this. RTK is this weird honeypot for beginning learners, but it’s nearly always a mistake. The “discouraged RTK user” is almost a comic meme in Japanese language study. You will spend months “learning kanji”, only to discover that knowing kanji meanings, in isolation, is unhelpful in most situations. You can get all of the same benefits, with more immediate utility, by just learning words.
- graeme 8y ago
  Thanks. So, I'm actually doing it as a side thing while learning German. I have found I can't do two languages at once, but that learning the characters doesn't interfere. I should finish them by April or so, and be advanced enough in German at that point that I can switch to Japanese. At which point I'll do Pimsleur and Assimil. I think having the character base will accelerate that process. I previously tried Pimsleur Japanese, but found it didn't go smoothly compared to European languages I've done. The lack of characters was a big hurdle. Thanks though. Is discouraged RTK learner someone who completed RTK, or someone who fails to
  - irq11 8y ago
    Someone who fails. The usual pattern is: new learner goes all-in on RtK, makes it a month or two, then gives up after realizing that they’re making no discernible progress, even though they “know” lots of kanji. There are useful parts of RtK, but they’re the parts Heisig didn’t invent: radicals and mnemonics. You can (and should) employ both, but in the context of words. As you learn words, the “meanings” of kanji will naturally settle in your brain. RtK people love to argue that it helps them infer the meanings of words and discriminate similar kanji. But in practice, it’s insanely difficult to do the former (except for simple words), and the latter is rarely necessary. It’s far more common to encounter 2-3 kanji compounds with unique meanings that recombine into words, than it is to find words that compose meanings from their individual kanji.
    - graeme 8y ago
      Yeah, I could see that happening. I'm not expecting it to be a panacea, just a mild accelerant I can actually do while waiting to finish with German. What do you think of that plan? My assumption is that I'll better be able to learn the words in the Pimsleur course the second time around when I can see the writing, and that this will make the overall process easier. It felt like too much, cognitively, the last time. And at my current pace, the Kanji are about 30 min per day, so it mostly feels fun. If I were doing more I don't think it would be worthwhile, it would be stressful.

I’m using anki to gradually learn japanese kanji using the RTK method. Working really well so far, up to about 800 with little struggle.

by graeme 8y ago

I’m using anki to gradually learn japanese kanji using the RTK method. Working really well so far, up to about 800 with little struggle.

x0x0 8y ago

have you tried readlang? I'm really happy with it, but I'm studying German. Not sure if it works with asian languages. The website doesn't emphasize it, but readlang has a spaced repetition vocab tool. With multiple (at least for romance languages) built in dictionaries.

baxtr 8y ago
Readlang sounds quite promising, I will try it for my Spanish! Thanks for sharing :)

graeme 8y ago

Looks super useful, thanks! May try it for German. The system I'm doing isn't s reading one though. Instead, you associate each of the 2200 Kanji with an English keyword. You break down the kanji into component primitives, and then you remember how to draw each one by visualizing a phrase associated with that keyword. For example, Seedling: 苗 The top part is flower: 艹 The bottom part is rixe field: 田 You can make a story like: if you plant seedlings in a field, they will flower. And you imagine it visually. (Note, I have terrible visualization, but can do it well enough for it to work) This is a really simple example, but you can get more complex stuff. The system generally sticks to Japanese etymology, but sometimes will make up new primitives where it's more convenient for learning.

JepZ 8y ago

While searching the AUR for Anki I just found this extension for Firefox which has some Anki integration. Looks promising for people who want to learn Japanese: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/yomichan/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/yomichan/

irq11 8y ago

Take my advice, as a somewhat advanced learner: don’t do this. RTK is this weird honeypot for beginning learners, but it’s nearly always a mistake. The “discouraged RTK user” is almost a comic meme in Japanese language study. You will spend months “learning kanji”, only to discover that knowing kanji meanings, in isolation, is unhelpful in most situations. You can get all of the same benefits, with more immediate utility, by just learning words.

graeme 8y ago
Thanks. So, I'm actually doing it as a side thing while learning German. I have found I can't do two languages at once, but that learning the characters doesn't interfere. I should finish them by April or so, and be advanced enough in German at that point that I can switch to Japanese. At which point I'll do Pimsleur and Assimil. I think having the character base will accelerate that process. I previously tried Pimsleur Japanese, but found it didn't go smoothly compared to European languages I've done. The lack of characters was a big hurdle. Thanks though. Is discouraged RTK learner someone who completed RTK, or someone who fails to
- irq11 8y ago
  Someone who fails. The usual pattern is: new learner goes all-in on RtK, makes it a month or two, then gives up after realizing that they’re making no discernible progress, even though they “know” lots of kanji. There are useful parts of RtK, but they’re the parts Heisig didn’t invent: radicals and mnemonics. You can (and should) employ both, but in the context of words. As you learn words, the “meanings” of kanji will naturally settle in your brain. RtK people love to argue that it helps them infer the meanings of words and discriminate similar kanji. But in practice, it’s insanely difficult to do the former (except for simple words), and the latter is rarely necessary. It’s far more common to encounter 2-3 kanji compounds with unique meanings that recombine into words, than it is to find words that compose meanings from their individual kanji.
  - graeme 8y ago
    Yeah, I could see that happening. I'm not expecting it to be a panacea, just a mild accelerant I can actually do while waiting to finish with German. What do you think of that plan? My assumption is that I'll better be able to learn the words in the Pimsleur course the second time around when I can see the writing, and that this will make the overall process easier. It felt like too much, cognitively, the last time. And at my current pace, the Kanji are about 30 min per day, so it mostly feels fun. If I were doing more I don't think it would be worthwhile, it would be stressful.