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First, I'm not sure what makes you think you can just insult me. I'd recommend you tone it down. Second, most of what I see here is very similar to my experien

First, I'm not sure what makes you think you can just insult me. I'd recommend you tone it down. Second, most of what I see here is very similar to my experience: * I love Elm * I take its pros and cons * The day i don't find what I want there I ll just move out of it. * I do my best to participate in the community as well * Bonus: I also got into Scala and stepped out The only thing I was trying to convey is : * The creator of the language is very opiniated (that is fine) * The way of communicating is not ideal (that is shame, it doesn't have to BE this way). * I hope someone will not really get annoyed by it to a point where the community will get separated / torn. Because it would most likely lead to a lot of negativity. Not sure what brings you to call me a pedulant child. I don't remember saying I was oppressed. . .

yakshaving_jgt 8y ago
I'm sorry that my general frustration with most of the comments in this thread materialised as being directed toward you specifically. That wasn't my intention. People (not necessarily you or I) are going to be annoyed though. And this is fine. A tool doesn't need to be the most popular alternative to "thrive" or to "win" (quoting some other commenter now). The thought process for most people in this thread seems to be: 1. Get mad when their "freedoms" (dangerous synchronous FFI) are taken away. 2. Complain, because the programmer knows best (ego/hubris). 3. Complain further about "the community" when their egos aren't pandered to. If the maintainers relinquished their ideals, we'd have a language as dangerous as most of the alternatives. Frankly, I'm not interested in a "community" where everyone gets along but the software is always broken. I need my stuff to work. To you, specifically, I appreciate that you tried to keep the discussion amicable. Thank you for that, and again I'm sorry.
- jlengrand 8y ago
  No big worries. Insults fly a lot on HN, this won't be the last time. Agreed. It's not about pleasing people. Being opiniated is what brought Elm where it is. And it is not about winning. Definitely agree there too. I just wish design considerations were communicated in a more positive, rather than autoritative manner. Because it makes people lose motivation and brings negativity.
- jlengrand 8y ago
  BTW, I appreciate you apologizing. It takes balls and lots of people just don't like it. Much appreciated, sending you virtual karma kudos :)
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yakshaving_jgt 8y ago

I'm sorry that my general frustration with most of the comments in this thread materialised as being directed toward you specifically. That wasn't my intention. People (not necessarily you or I) are going to be annoyed though. And this is fine. A tool doesn't need to be the most popular alternative to "thrive" or to "win" (quoting some other commenter now). The thought process for most people in this thread seems to be: 1. Get mad when their "freedoms" (dangerous synchronous FFI) are taken away. 2. Complain, because the programmer knows best (ego/hubris). 3. Complain further about "the community" when their egos aren't pandered to. If the maintainers relinquished their ideals, we'd have a language as dangerous as most of the alternatives. Frankly, I'm not interested in a "community" where everyone gets along but the software is always broken. I need my stuff to work. To you, specifically, I appreciate that you tried to keep the discussion amicable. Thank you for that, and again I'm sorry.

jlengrand 8y ago
No big worries. Insults fly a lot on HN, this won't be the last time. Agreed. It's not about pleasing people. Being opiniated is what brought Elm where it is. And it is not about winning. Definitely agree there too. I just wish design considerations were communicated in a more positive, rather than autoritative manner. Because it makes people lose motivation and brings negativity.
jlengrand 8y ago
BTW, I appreciate you apologizing. It takes balls and lots of people just don't like it. Much appreciated, sending you virtual karma kudos :)

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