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And I'm saying ISPs would never let that happen. The amount of people who torrent is absurd, and the amount of people who are using the same net as someone who

And I'm saying ISPs would never let that happen. The amount of people who torrent is absurd, and the amount of people who are using the same net as someone who torrents is even greater. For this to be the least bit effective, they would have to dismantle VPNs, dynamic IP addresses, and somehow find a way to target specific people when they're using public internet. It's unpractical and salty record companies are picking their battles incorrectly. But they will be forced to learn this soon. Just for clarity, I only mentioned the trial part of things because that's how it currently works. Sorry for confusion.

crtasm 8y ago
I think you're vastly overestimating how many people use a VPN. Dynamic IP is zero problem, your ISP knows who's on what IP at what time (logs of this kept for x months required by law in many countries). This case is for movies rather than music but ISPs are already ending up having to go to supreme court to fight , I hope more ISPs are prepared to do so https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180508/06040539799/danish-isps-that-teamed-up-to-beat-back-copyright-trolls-get-huge-legal-win.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180508/06040539799/danis...
tgragnato 8y ago
> The amount of people who torrent is absurd, and the amount of people who are using the same net as someone who torrents is even greater. For this to be the least bit effective, they would have to dismantle VPNs, dynamic IP addresses, and somehow find a way to target specific people when they're using public internet. > But they will be forced to learn this soon. The real issue is in fact with people: in order to "fix" the way people want to communicate and exchange data and informations, you really need to switch from a blacklist approach to a whitelist approach, effectively banning everything that's not pre-approved. That's the technical lesson record companies are going to learn. And an escalation of this kind is extremely dangerous. Because with time this may lead to self-censorship, people turning each other in to the authorities, scenes associated with China, East Germany or the Soviet Union. Models I'd not be proud of.
thomastjeffery 8y ago
> And I'm saying ISPs would never let that happen. I think you underestimate how tightly knit telecom and digital media corporations are. In the US, we are talking about less than a dozen companies controlling the majority of both markets. Two of the biggest ISPs are Comcast and AT&T. Comcast owns NBCUniversal, and AT&T owns HBO, CNN, and many others. Neither of those corporations will be against this sort of action. They will be for it.

crtasm 8y ago

I think you're vastly overestimating how many people use a VPN. Dynamic IP is zero problem, your ISP knows who's on what IP at what time (logs of this kept for x months required by law in many countries). This case is for movies rather than music but ISPs are already ending up having to go to supreme court to fight , I hope more ISPs are prepared to do so https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180508/06040539799/danish-isps-that-teamed-up-to-beat-back-copyright-trolls-get-huge-legal-win.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180508/06040539799/danis...

tgragnato 8y ago

> The amount of people who torrent is absurd, and the amount of people who are using the same net as someone who torrents is even greater. For this to be the least bit effective, they would have to dismantle VPNs, dynamic IP addresses, and somehow find a way to target specific people when they're using public internet. > But they will be forced to learn this soon. The real issue is in fact with people: in order to "fix" the way people want to communicate and exchange data and informations, you really need to switch from a blacklist approach to a whitelist approach, effectively banning everything that's not pre-approved. That's the technical lesson record companies are going to learn. And an escalation of this kind is extremely dangerous. Because with time this may lead to self-censorship, people turning each other in to the authorities, scenes associated with China, East Germany or the Soviet Union. Models I'd not be proud of.

thomastjeffery 8y ago

> And I'm saying ISPs would never let that happen. I think you underestimate how tightly knit telecom and digital media corporations are. In the US, we are talking about less than a dozen companies controlling the majority of both markets. Two of the biggest ISPs are Comcast and AT&T. Comcast owns NBCUniversal, and AT&T owns HBO, CNN, and many others. Neither of those corporations will be against this sort of action. They will be for it.