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John McCain dedicated his entire adult life to serving America with dignity, courage and honor. We need more McCains in the world, not fewer. RIP.

by js2 8y ago

scarface74 8y ago
I can honestly say as someone who can’t support a Republican President because he would give too much power to southern regressionist Republicans and while I might have disagreed with a lot of their policies, I never saw any of the Republican Presidents or nominees as people who I didn’t think did or would have represented the country well. Until 2016... But they all had to veer to the right a little more than I thought they were comfortable with to win the election. But McCain shut down anyone who tried to make the election about race.
- js2 8y ago
  McCain was treated terribly by his own party in the 2000 primary.
  - tooltalk 8y ago
    McCain was in the wrong party.
    - js2 8y ago
      There really isn't a McCain party today. He was too conservative for Democrats and too moderate for Republicans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_John_McCain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_John_Mc... He and Kerry considered running together in 2004. It is sad that such a ticket could never win. :-(
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      No, McCain was very much a Republican by policy positions; sure, he wasn't completely lockstep, but outside of rhetoric he'd usually fall into the standard Republican position in substance. His notable maverick positions weren't mostly in between the typical R & D positions but instead things that were controversial in both parties. Yeah, post-Trump he may seem to have been in the wrong party, but post-Trump even much of the conservative establishment is questioning the Republican Party (George Will encouraging conservatives to vote for Democrats in the midterms, for instance.)
      - scarface74 8y ago
        There are two types of Republicans. There are the standard pro military, pro business, pro sensible immigration, pro trade conservatives. Those are the type that usual rise to prominence nationally. But then you have the Southern Republicans who use to be Democrats before the Civil Rights Era in the 60s - the Confederate Flag waving, “Moral Majority”, hate immigrants, anti-trade populists, who see the world changing and “ruining American culture”. But when I look at the Republican Party today, I don’t recognize it. How did they get overtaken by The far right? If they had focused more on rural America instead of big business would that have helped? Yes my view of the Republican Party has always been viewed through the lense of keeping southern republicans out of power - no matter if the Republican Party had some ideas I agreed with. Democrats on the other hand are just weak and don’t have the courage of their convictions. They could easily have brought the middle class and rural America and minorities together. Except for the South, until the demographics change, there was no way a Black man was ever going to win the southern states.
        burfog 8y ago
        You've been lied to. Count the party switchers in that time period: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Representatives_who_switched_parties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Represen... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senators_who_switched_parties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senators... It's just 2, Strom Thurmond in the senate and Albert Watson in the house. If the "party switch" narrative were correct, you'd expect many more. What is going on here is that nobody wants to own the history of the KKK or voting against civil rights legislation because that is an unelectable position to take in modern America. An effective way to evade this ugly history is to throw it at the opposing party, falsely claiming the illogical idea that the parties just decided to swap sides one day.
        scarface74 8y ago
        Not the politicians - the electorate. If you think voting against civil rights makes a politician “unelectable” in the South....you haven’t lived in the South.
tooltalk 8y ago
I don't want to insult the dead. But if we had more McCains, his stubbornness and militarism would lead to greater welfare and warfare states with American soldiers fighting someone else's civil wars all over the world.
- js2 8y ago
  I agree with few of McCain’s political positions. However, he served with dignity. He was willing to compromise and admit mistakes. I believe he cared more about America than about being a politician, and that he voted what he felt was best for the country, not just his party line. If I have to disagree with a fellow American, McCain is the type of person I want to disagree with. You could box with McCain without worrying whether he’d try to hit below the belt. In an era no-holds-barred politics, McCain represents a past way of doing things that will be sorely missed.

John McCain dedicated his entire adult life to serving America with dignity, courage and honor. We need more McCains in the world, not fewer. RIP.

by js2 8y ago

John McCain dedicated his entire adult life to serving America with dignity, courage and honor. We need more McCains in the world, not fewer. RIP.

scarface74 8y ago

I can honestly say as someone who can’t support a Republican President because he would give too much power to southern regressionist Republicans and while I might have disagreed with a lot of their policies, I never saw any of the Republican Presidents or nominees as people who I didn’t think did or would have represented the country well. Until 2016... But they all had to veer to the right a little more than I thought they were comfortable with to win the election. But McCain shut down anyone who tried to make the election about race.

js2 8y ago
McCain was treated terribly by his own party in the 2000 primary.
- tooltalk 8y ago
  McCain was in the wrong party.
  - js2 8y ago
    There really isn't a McCain party today. He was too conservative for Democrats and too moderate for Republicans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_John_McCain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_John_Mc... He and Kerry considered running together in 2004. It is sad that such a ticket could never win. :-(
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    No, McCain was very much a Republican by policy positions; sure, he wasn't completely lockstep, but outside of rhetoric he'd usually fall into the standard Republican position in substance. His notable maverick positions weren't mostly in between the typical R & D positions but instead things that were controversial in both parties. Yeah, post-Trump he may seem to have been in the wrong party, but post-Trump even much of the conservative establishment is questioning the Republican Party (George Will encouraging conservatives to vote for Democrats in the midterms, for instance.)
    - scarface74 8y ago
      There are two types of Republicans. There are the standard pro military, pro business, pro sensible immigration, pro trade conservatives. Those are the type that usual rise to prominence nationally. But then you have the Southern Republicans who use to be Democrats before the Civil Rights Era in the 60s - the Confederate Flag waving, “Moral Majority”, hate immigrants, anti-trade populists, who see the world changing and “ruining American culture”. But when I look at the Republican Party today, I don’t recognize it. How did they get overtaken by The far right? If they had focused more on rural America instead of big business would that have helped? Yes my view of the Republican Party has always been viewed through the lense of keeping southern republicans out of power - no matter if the Republican Party had some ideas I agreed with. Democrats on the other hand are just weak and don’t have the courage of their convictions. They could easily have brought the middle class and rural America and minorities together. Except for the South, until the demographics change, there was no way a Black man was ever going to win the southern states.
      - burfog 8y ago
        You've been lied to. Count the party switchers in that time period: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Representatives_who_switched_parties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Represen... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senators_who_switched_parties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senators... It's just 2, Strom Thurmond in the senate and Albert Watson in the house. If the "party switch" narrative were correct, you'd expect many more. What is going on here is that nobody wants to own the history of the KKK or voting against civil rights legislation because that is an unelectable position to take in modern America. An effective way to evade this ugly history is to throw it at the opposing party, falsely claiming the illogical idea that the parties just decided to swap sides one day.
        scarface74 8y ago
        Not the politicians - the electorate. If you think voting against civil rights makes a politician “unelectable” in the South....you haven’t lived in the South.

tooltalk 8y ago

I don't want to insult the dead. But if we had more McCains, his stubbornness and militarism would lead to greater welfare and warfare states with American soldiers fighting someone else's civil wars all over the world.

js2 8y ago
I agree with few of McCain’s political positions. However, he served with dignity. He was willing to compromise and admit mistakes. I believe he cared more about America than about being a politician, and that he voted what he felt was best for the country, not just his party line. If I have to disagree with a fellow American, McCain is the type of person I want to disagree with. You could box with McCain without worrying whether he’d try to hit below the belt. In an era no-holds-barred politics, McCain represents a past way of doing things that will be sorely missed.