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"Virtue signaling" is a term usually used to dismiss the arguments of other people without bothering to address the content of the argument. So sure, if you us

"Virtue signaling" is a term usually used to dismiss the arguments of other people without bothering to address the content of the argument. So sure, if you use the term that way, you probably think this article is about virtue signaling. Most people who don't like the term would probably think the article is about "keeping up with the Joneses", a concept that can be deployed without accusing people you disagree with of being hypocrites.

buboard 8y ago
Regardless of how it is used , the term is exact and describes well what the article talks about. Ironically, bashing people about their use of the term is a form of virtual signaling itself, and is associated with one political identiry
- greglindahl 8y ago
  The term doesn't describe what I think the article is about, because I don't think "keeping up with the Joneses" is the same as being a hypocrite. I'm fine with you having a different idea of what the term means. Also, are you sure I intended to bash anyone? Because I didn't, and wasn't. Sorry if you saw it that way.
  - buboard 8y ago
    > are you sure I intended to bash anyone? of course you did. you said everyone who uses the term uses it to avoid valid arguments (while the term in abstract has no connection to such interpretation)
    - greglindahl 8y ago
      I didn't say "everyone", I said "usually". Also, I said it was used to avoid discussing the argument, not that the arguments were valid. I don't think the term exists "in abstract", it exists in common usage, and usually, I find it's used the way I described. You're free to disagree, of course, but it's probably better if you can do that without misrepresenting what I actually said. And really, I wasn't intending to bash anyone.
      - buboard 8y ago
        I think the sense in which you use it is fringe. the term is valid without political connotations. Also , the article was not about keeping up with the joneses, but about being perceived as doing so.
        greglindahl 8y ago
        I've never heard anyone use "Keeping up with the Joneses" in any sense other than the perceptions of others.
- Mediterraneo10 8y ago
  > Ironically, bashing people about their use of the term is a form of virtual signaling itself, and is associated with one political identiry. Considering that someone who feels unease with the term “virtue signalling” might come from a country with vastly different politics to your own, and perhaps with a wide array of parties instead of the limited two-party system in, say, the USA or UK, it seems to a reach to claim that such sentiments are associated with one political identity.
  - buboard 8y ago
    i don't know. check sibling thread. In abstract the term "signaling" is well understood, and "virtue" is what is being signaled, instead of e.g. wealth. However in English-speaking word it is being used as a pejorative term for socially-concerned left-leaning people it seems.

buboard 8y ago

Regardless of how it is used , the term is exact and describes well what the article talks about. Ironically, bashing people about their use of the term is a form of virtual signaling itself, and is associated with one political identiry

greglindahl 8y ago
The term doesn't describe what I think the article is about, because I don't think "keeping up with the Joneses" is the same as being a hypocrite. I'm fine with you having a different idea of what the term means. Also, are you sure I intended to bash anyone? Because I didn't, and wasn't. Sorry if you saw it that way.
- buboard 8y ago
  > are you sure I intended to bash anyone? of course you did. you said everyone who uses the term uses it to avoid valid arguments (while the term in abstract has no connection to such interpretation)
  - greglindahl 8y ago
    I didn't say "everyone", I said "usually". Also, I said it was used to avoid discussing the argument, not that the arguments were valid. I don't think the term exists "in abstract", it exists in common usage, and usually, I find it's used the way I described. You're free to disagree, of course, but it's probably better if you can do that without misrepresenting what I actually said. And really, I wasn't intending to bash anyone.
    - buboard 8y ago
      I think the sense in which you use it is fringe. the term is valid without political connotations. Also , the article was not about keeping up with the joneses, but about being perceived as doing so.
      - greglindahl 8y ago
        I've never heard anyone use "Keeping up with the Joneses" in any sense other than the perceptions of others.
Mediterraneo10 8y ago
> Ironically, bashing people about their use of the term is a form of virtual signaling itself, and is associated with one political identiry. Considering that someone who feels unease with the term “virtue signalling” might come from a country with vastly different politics to your own, and perhaps with a wide array of parties instead of the limited two-party system in, say, the USA or UK, it seems to a reach to claim that such sentiments are associated with one political identity.
- buboard 8y ago
  i don't know. check sibling thread. In abstract the term "signaling" is well understood, and "virtue" is what is being signaled, instead of e.g. wealth. However in English-speaking word it is being used as a pejorative term for socially-concerned left-leaning people it seems.