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Oracle can't and won't kill the platform. They are certainly doing harm to Java, but Oracle hasn't sued IBM yet over this and there is quite a bit Oracle would

by devmonk 16y ago

Oracle can't and won't kill the platform. They are certainly doing harm to Java, but Oracle hasn't sued IBM yet over this and there is quite a bit Oracle would go after if it were truly intent on killing the JVM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Java_virtual_machines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Java_virtual_machines I don't think that anyone is questioning anyone looking into using other languages. I even suggested Ruby myself. It might be a dark age for Oracle sponsoring Java Community Process development, but some of the JSRs have been crap. If development of new JSRs slows to a crawl, so be it. A wealth of Java, Ruby, Python, etc. projects have evolved without being attached to a bureaucratic standards committee.

bad_user 16y ago
All proprietary Java implementations are licensed, with the deal made behind closed-doors, especially IBM's. All open-source Java implementations available (minus OpenJDK) are not certified, and can be sued for patents infringements (or trademark violations if they're advertised as being Java implementations). Oracle just showed they are not shy on using their property.
- devmonk 16y ago
  From what I've understood, Sun didn't license everything to IBM (or for that matter, to others as you stated). Charles Nutter had a great post (and it has been updated) on the Oracle suit against Google where he talks about some of the wild claims that Oracle was making: http://blog.headius.com/2010/08/my-thoughts-on-oracle-v-google.html http://blog.headius.com/2010/08/my-thoughts-on-oracle-v-goog... My point is that no rational company would attack its own base. Oracle had some wild claims. These will be toned down and they will come to an agreement. Things will move on. I'm not saying that people shouldn't pay attention to Oracle's antics (even though I just consider Oracle a whining child at this point), but I think this whole thing is overblown.

by devmonk 16y ago

bad_user 16y ago

All proprietary Java implementations are licensed, with the deal made behind closed-doors, especially IBM's. All open-source Java implementations available (minus OpenJDK) are not certified, and can be sued for patents infringements (or trademark violations if they're advertised as being Java implementations). Oracle just showed they are not shy on using their property.

devmonk 16y ago
From what I've understood, Sun didn't license everything to IBM (or for that matter, to others as you stated). Charles Nutter had a great post (and it has been updated) on the Oracle suit against Google where he talks about some of the wild claims that Oracle was making: http://blog.headius.com/2010/08/my-thoughts-on-oracle-v-google.html http://blog.headius.com/2010/08/my-thoughts-on-oracle-v-goog... My point is that no rational company would attack its own base. Oracle had some wild claims. These will be toned down and they will come to an agreement. Things will move on. I'm not saying that people shouldn't pay attention to Oracle's antics (even though I just consider Oracle a whining child at this point), but I think this whole thing is overblown.