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Not trying to sound woke, BUT it seems analogous to how the elite couldn't care less about kids being drafted for Vietnam until they started pulling WASP studen

Not trying to sound woke, BUT it seems analogous to how the elite couldn't care less about kids being drafted for Vietnam until they started pulling WASP students out of college and sending them straight into the jungle. Then you suddenly saw the anti-war movement gain steam outside of the black community, which was hit the hardest until then. Seems reminiscent of the principle, which I'm sure has a name, exemplified by the "cut the cake however you want, but you don't get to choose which slice you get in the end, so it's in your interest to make it fair". If rich parents couldn't choose which type of school their kids end up with, would public school still suck?

leetcrew 8y ago
> If rich parents couldn't choose which type of school their kids end up with, would public school still suck? though my parents aren't rich, i did attend a private school, so i am likely biased here. this strategy amounts to holding people's kids hostage until they do what you want, not sure i can get behind it. random aside: one of the great pleasures of my high school experience was having the opportunity to take several years of ancient greek. i know of only a couple other private schools in my state that offered this at all, and i don't know of any public schools that do. obviously it is unfair that only a few students can have this, but it would make me very sad if no one could at all.
- BadassFractal 8y ago
  Reminds me of arguments against affirmative action, which I can relate to. Underprivileged Asian families in the US will save on everything, sometimes go as far as skipping meals, only to be able to afford tutoring for their kids so that they end up in a good school. If someone has sacrificed so much to get their kids there, should they be denied that right just based on their race?
  - yellowapple 8y ago
    Not to mention that the kids more often than not had spent nearly their entire lives up to that point working to the bone to be the absolute best students they can be, only to face literal and blatant racial discrimination during the college application process in the name of "affirmative action". And now there are growing calls to do the same thing as they enter the workforce, all in the name of "diversity". Don't get me wrong, we definitely (as a society) ought to be giving underprivileged demographics as many opportunities to no longer be underprivileged, and in most cases I'm all in favor of diversity programs and affirmative action. Shafting one of those disadvantaged groups because they sacrificed everything else to level the playing field for themselves is, however, a major - if not outright fatal - bug in that system. Americans discriminating against Asian Americans is not a new thing, of course. California's history in particular is deeply rooted in giving Chinese and Japanese Americans - including even natural-born citizens - the shortest possible end of the stick.
coreyp_1 8y ago
"If rich parents couldn't choose which type of school their kids end up with, would public school still suck?" And if there's no choice (ie., no capitalism), then everything will be great! (Please ignore every attempt at communism/socialism that has failed.... surely it will work the next time!) </s>

leetcrew 8y ago

> If rich parents couldn't choose which type of school their kids end up with, would public school still suck? though my parents aren't rich, i did attend a private school, so i am likely biased here. this strategy amounts to holding people's kids hostage until they do what you want, not sure i can get behind it. random aside: one of the great pleasures of my high school experience was having the opportunity to take several years of ancient greek. i know of only a couple other private schools in my state that offered this at all, and i don't know of any public schools that do. obviously it is unfair that only a few students can have this, but it would make me very sad if no one could at all.

BadassFractal 8y ago
Reminds me of arguments against affirmative action, which I can relate to. Underprivileged Asian families in the US will save on everything, sometimes go as far as skipping meals, only to be able to afford tutoring for their kids so that they end up in a good school. If someone has sacrificed so much to get their kids there, should they be denied that right just based on their race?
- yellowapple 8y ago
  Not to mention that the kids more often than not had spent nearly their entire lives up to that point working to the bone to be the absolute best students they can be, only to face literal and blatant racial discrimination during the college application process in the name of "affirmative action". And now there are growing calls to do the same thing as they enter the workforce, all in the name of "diversity". Don't get me wrong, we definitely (as a society) ought to be giving underprivileged demographics as many opportunities to no longer be underprivileged, and in most cases I'm all in favor of diversity programs and affirmative action. Shafting one of those disadvantaged groups because they sacrificed everything else to level the playing field for themselves is, however, a major - if not outright fatal - bug in that system. Americans discriminating against Asian Americans is not a new thing, of course. California's history in particular is deeply rooted in giving Chinese and Japanese Americans - including even natural-born citizens - the shortest possible end of the stick.

coreyp_1 8y ago

"If rich parents couldn't choose which type of school their kids end up with, would public school still suck?" And if there's no choice (ie., no capitalism), then everything will be great! (Please ignore every attempt at communism/socialism that has failed.... surely it will work the next time!) </s>