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That's why I said it's not the most comprehensive. However, there have been multiple investigative reports. Enough to make it a pattern. And again, nearly anyth

That's why I said it's not the most comprehensive. However, there have been multiple investigative reports. Enough to make it a pattern. And again, nearly anything is a better source of truth than tweets by employees paid to tweet positive things, which was my original point.

tylerhou 8y ago
Your original point was that the claim that "Amazon working conditions are great" is not factual, i.e. your original point was "Amazon working conditions are not great". I don't see any mention that "paid tweets from employees are not the best source of truth" in your original comment. I agree that we should take paid tweets by employees with a large grain of salt, but I also want to point out that you likewise have essentially 0 evidence that they're not telling the truth, apart from random surveys and a few investigative reports, most of which are about warehouses halfway around the world. I think it's import to remember that, like Amazon, journalists also like to appeal to a certain narrative (how often do they report about the amount of Good Amazon has done for the world?). A pattern of a few (potentially based) data points is hardly a pattern.
- themoonbus 8y ago
  Tweets by paid employees don't count as data points. And yes, I do consider multiple investigative reports finding similar issues throughout the world to be a pattern https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/16/17243026/amazon-warehouse-jobs-worker-conditions-bathroom-breaks https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/16/17243026/amazon-warehouse... https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/amazon-prime-day-threatened-by-strikes-at-european-warehouses.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/amazon-prime-day-threatened-... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/30/accidents-at-amazon-workers-left-to-suffer-after-warehouse-injuries https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/30/accidents... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-an-amazon-warehouse-treating-human-beings-as-robots/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-an-amazon-warehouse-trea... https://www.bbc.com/news/business-25034598 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-25034598

tylerhou 8y ago

Your original point was that the claim that "Amazon working conditions are great" is not factual, i.e. your original point was "Amazon working conditions are not great". I don't see any mention that "paid tweets from employees are not the best source of truth" in your original comment. I agree that we should take paid tweets by employees with a large grain of salt, but I also want to point out that you likewise have essentially 0 evidence that they're not telling the truth, apart from random surveys and a few investigative reports, most of which are about warehouses halfway around the world. I think it's import to remember that, like Amazon, journalists also like to appeal to a certain narrative (how often do they report about the amount of Good Amazon has done for the world?). A pattern of a few (potentially based) data points is hardly a pattern.

themoonbus 8y ago
Tweets by paid employees don't count as data points. And yes, I do consider multiple investigative reports finding similar issues throughout the world to be a pattern https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/16/17243026/amazon-warehouse-jobs-worker-conditions-bathroom-breaks https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/16/17243026/amazon-warehouse... https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/amazon-prime-day-threatened-by-strikes-at-european-warehouses.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/amazon-prime-day-threatened-... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/30/accidents-at-amazon-workers-left-to-suffer-after-warehouse-injuries https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/30/accidents... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-an-amazon-warehouse-treating-human-beings-as-robots/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-an-amazon-warehouse-trea... https://www.bbc.com/news/business-25034598 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-25034598