> Any and all value generation requires energy which necessarily comes from natural resources. You're assuming that value only derives from material things. Fo

> Any and all value generation requires energy which necessarily comes from natural resources. You're assuming that value only derives from material things. For example, if a hostel arranges people interested in going to an event to go together by meeting at the hostel at a specific time, both parties gain value even though no material resource was lost. The hostel has increased the happiness of its patrons making them more likely to return in the future, and the patrons are happier going to an event (that they may have been going to anyways) with other people so that they enjoy their time more. You could say that the manager of the hostel used energy to talk to the patrons, but he was going to do that anyways. Furthermore, if we want to talk about technicalities, energy cannot be created nor destroyed; only rearranged. Therefore, it may still be possible to create a process which transforms energy back from another form creating some sort of cycle. But that sort of technicality doesnt really matter seeing as how the amount of natural resource used in a lot of cases is actually minuscule relative to the amount of available energy in the universe. Also, even in energy consuming businesses, if someone can increase efficiency and get paid for it, both parties do better. The loss occurs in less waste.